DEBATE AND MANIFESTATIONS CONCERNING THE BOOK-SERIES ON HISTORICAL MOSES
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Message, 4 October 2006 -
statements:
Bringing knowledge and insight
Concerning: Moses & New Research / Mysteriet om Moses Revurderet.
Message: Many thanks, Ove von Spaeth, you have given us knowledge and
insight and opened our eyes concerning the world religions. You have got some
small, however, exclusive fan club in Moss, Norway!
Letter, 10 March 2006 - Reader's Comment and
Question :
Different centuries in which Moses is said to have
lived?
When we are hearing so much about different centuries in which Moses is said
to have lived, we sometimes also hear even about that he has not existed. By
this we can figure out that most of these rumours may not by correct
information. So, how is the present situation, and maybe some new results may
concern the decisive question? Thanks for your work,
ALM, arch., Copenhagen, - a reader with a great interest in
history - (10.Mar.2006)
NOTE from webmaster, moses-egypt.net: see Ove von Spaeth's replying
data-info below, in following text: "A more precise dating of Moses
...".
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Excerpt of "Assassinating Moses", vol. 1, - 10 March 2008
- historical chronology :
A more precise dating of Moses
By OVE VON SPAETH, author, researcher
Through time, many texts have been issued about different centuries in which
Moses is said to have lived - or even said that he never existed at all.
This has led many people
to assume that most of these rumours are correct - that is why it is so often
maintained that Moses is a myth, although the claim proofs itself to be wrong if
we consider the many existing statements from ancient history.
Regarding the times of
ancient Egypt there is no official, fixed chronology. A few Egyptian
observations of the star Sirius are known. This information has given rise to
two dating hypotheses (called "high-date" and "low-date"), however, both of them
places the relevant pharaohs a bit too late in relation to a previous
Sirius-observation ("high-high date") from the year 9 of Pharaoh Amenhotep I,
thus to take place in 1545 BC. This time marking corresponds perfectly to a wide
range of events.
But since this particular
point in time does not seem to support the two hypotheses which in the meantime
had become popular, the knowledge on the existence of the 1545-event has been
ignored by recent Egyptology research. This is despite of that an authority such
as the great English Egyptologist, Alan H. Gardiner, informs factually on Sirius
in 1545 BC in his "Egyptian Grammar" (London, 1965, p. 205), a work prescribed
for nearly all students of Egyptology.
Already the German
scholar Eduard Meyer, one of the very few Egyptologists who is also a historian,
was also an expert in Egyptian chronology and calendar calculation. He compares,
in his work "Geschichte des Altertums" (Band 2, chapter 3, Stuttgart/Berlin
1928), the time of the raids of Tuthmosis III with the corresponding actions of
the other Middle Eastern kings, of whom we have more precise dating information
in connection with Babylonian-Assyrian astronomical records. This documented
coincidence corroborates completely with Gardiner's time information which, in
addition, has never been disproved. Modern archeology and chemical analysis of
historical ceramics support Gardiner's basic point.
Eduard Meyer's task
demonstrates fully that when regarding finding stable time marks with precision
here, the challenges are of such complex nature that the research within a
single line of study will not be able to carry it out alone. Unlike the exact
sciences (e.g. astronomy and chemistry), the humanities (e.g. Egyptology and
literature) have often demonstrated an unwillingness to deal with solid
interdisciplinary research when relevant. The interdisciplinary approach was in
fact required for the thorough research project which underlies the book-series
on the historical Moses.
Dating information now available
The necessary information about some important historical key dates are now
available in the book-series on Moses: at least three independent,
astronomically verifiable checkpoints from the time of Moses have
survived - namely, the time at the birth of Moses, and at the Israelite exodus
from Egypt, and even at their invasion of Canaan:
1. According
to Rabbi Abrabanel's information (published in 1497) based on very old Jewish
traditions about the birth of Moses, this event took place three years after the
large planetary conjunction in the celestial sector later known as Pisces. The
occurrence of this event in the sky can be objectively verified based on modern
astronomical computations - they show exactly that this great event was the only
large conjunction in this sector for many hundreds of years and the biggest in a
millennium - and that it took place in February 1537 BC.
This proves the birth
of Moses to be in February 1534 BC - cf. extensive and genuine documentation in
detail in the book, "The
Suppressed Record", by Ove von Spaeth. Of greatest interest is that this is all in accordance
with the Rabbinical Writings about the birth of Moses in the Jewish month adar
(February/March when translated to modern calendar style).
2. According
to Josephus the Israelite Exodus took place in "Moses' 80th year", i.e. when
Moses was 79 years of age. In 1454 BC, the Israelite Exodus from Egypt took
place these 79 years after the birth of Moses. The date of this first Easter can
be astronomically computed: in the Bible ("Book of Exodus") the first Easter was
determined from the first full moon on the 14th day of the first spring month,
i.e. the first full moon after the vernal equinox; the culmination of this full
moon took place even on the very day of the equinox in 1454 BC, on the 21st
March (transposed to modern calendar style).
3. Joshua's battle - at Gibeon where "... the sun stood still ..." ("Book of
Joshua", 10:12-13) in 1415 BC which was the Israelite year of invasion, thus 39-40
years after the beginning of the exodus - is anticipated to have taken place
simultaneously with a certain, celestial phenomenon. In "The
Vanished Successor" (vol. 3 of Ove von Spaeth's book-series "Assassinating
Moses") on "... Rediscovering the Hidden War Leading to Exodus ...",
this is carefully investigated and reveals a rare kind of total lunar
eclipse, i.e. "the Cleomedes' phenomenon" appearing on
25th June, at
sunset, 1415 BC.
The archaeological
results achieved by the very experienced John Garstang, from his 7 years of
digging out the ruins of Jericho - and later his colleague John J. Bimson's
scientific examination by chemical analysis of the pottery found at the site
- confirm the dating in all respects.
Historians,
archaeologists and theologians should in the future concern themselves with this
broad context which is not seen mentioned hitherto.
However, many scholars
had often hesitated to carry out inter-disciplinary research and to take
advantage of comparing and testing results across the boundaries of the
disciplines/subjects involved - and did not want to change a hitherto belief in
a much later dating although this is altogether inconsistent and undocumented, -
also leading to the belief that these biblical events are mere myths.
In addition, the Bible's
the "1st Book of Kings" (6:1) indicates the Israelite exodus from Egypt occurred 480
years prior to the 4th year of Solomon's reign. His 4th year is variously dated
around 975 BC, placing the exodus around 1455 BC.
Moses' exile outside
Egypt lasted ca. 40 years (according to "Exodus" 2:23 and "Acts" 7:3) while the
pharaoh of the oppression was still alive. In the entire millennium in question
the only pharaohs who ruled during such a long time as 40 years or more were
Tuthmosis III (ca. 1509-1455 BC) and Ramses II (ca. 1290-1224 BC).
Scholars who hold to a
late date of the exodus identify Ramses II as the pharaoh of the exodus often
because of a special city mentioned in the "Book of Exodus" (1:11) is called
Rameses - this in spite of all relating excavation proves that Rameses II by his
new namegiving of this much older city merely took credit for his reorganizing
of the city.
Ramses II's son and successor, Pharaoh Merneptah, raised a stele
(ca. 1220 BC), the text of which confirms that Israel at the time was a
well-known name and already an
established nation/people inside the Canaanitic country.
Regarding research on
Moses, extensive correspondence already exists between dating from
archaeological results, chemical analysis, astronomical phenomena, information
given by Josephus, Philo, the Egyptian-Greek historian Manetho, and later by
Rabbi Abrabanel too, and in addition the ancient data in the Rabbinical Writings
- all of which is compelling evidence. Again, archaeologists and historians should
really take an interest in this comprehensive and strictly logical context which
has hitherto not been seen elsewhere.
Letter, 10 March 2006 - Reader's
Comment and Question :
What about the Hyksos-people
Your books on Moses - initiate thinking - made me look for some subjects
which made me amazed when I read the books. I could not make notes during my
first reading because the books came from our public library, and I did not
wrote separate notes because I had planned to read the books again later.
However, I remember that
the Hyksos-people was not included in the word index of the first volume, and I
thought it was meant to be like that. But then I discovered that the subject is
registered in the second volume. - Thanks for your work. Sincerely,
Lena Rotenberg, - Educational Consultant and Deputy Chief
Assessor for the
International Baccalaureate Organization's Theory of Knowledge Course
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lena.rotenberg@get2net.dk - (17.jan.2004)
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:: OvS's reply. Comment to Lena
Rotenberg's mail of 17.Jan.2004
The subject in question, the Hyksos-people, was also planned to be included
in the word index of the volume 1.
However, in spite of we
have been more than careful from our side (you can not imagine how many
readings and so much extra checking) then by a misunderstanding
(unfortunately, not the only one) at the book-printing office after the
proofreading, the slip only was discovered when too late - i.e. after the
publication.
However, a chance for
restoring came - by the reprinting of the volume 1 the item "Hyksos" is now
included so that the Hyksos can be read about at two places (pp. 100 and
108). - Thanks for asking.
Ove von Spaeth
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NOTE from webmaster, moses-egypt.net: see Ove von Spaeth's information below, in
the next following text: "The Hyksos People".
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On reprinting 'The Suppressed Record', mail
17 January 2004 - comment :
The Hyksos People
By OVE VON SPAETH, author, researcher
The Hyksos People
Concerning the Hyksos, I discovered many years ago that we have got an extra
clue showing something about the "time background" for this Semitic people's
occupation of Egypt in approx. 180 years - when they had their own leaders
became the pharaohs. During that time the likewise Semitic tribe, the Hebrew
family of Jacob (Ya'qub) and his sons immigrated to Egypt and settled
there.
The oldest parts of the
Rabbinical Writings have the same age as the oldest parts of the Bible. In a
book of selected Rabbinical Writings (S. Baring-Gould: "Legends of Old Testament
Characters, from the Talmud and Other Sources", vol. 2, London 1871, p. 35) can
be read about Joseph in Egypt on his journey when reaching a certain city:
"... the caravan entered Heliopolis, the chief city of Egypt, which was the
under the government of Rajjan, the Amalekite ...".
The narratives handed
over, by oral tradition, were only manifested in writing (the Rabbinical
Writings) after approx. 1,500 years or more - and that is why the Egyptian city
of On is mentioned by its later name, Heliopolis. The important thing is that in
this case we are thus being informed by a source of 3,500 years about the Hyksos
invaders that (they and) their pharaohs were Amalekites.
As early as in the time
of Abraham (1900-1800's BC) - the Amalekites, according to Genesis 14:7, were known living in a
region near the biblical Mount Seir, which is identified in the high mountainous
range now located in "the Negev Highlands". Also the Hebrew-Roman
historian Josephus "only" 2000 years ago, have mentioned some traces of this
invading people, and he calls them the Shepherd-people.
Archaeology has revealed that in
18th century BC the Hyksos introduced in Egypt the chariot and improved archery
by using laminated bows. The simultaneous presence of this historical documented
Hyksos-people in Egypt seems to be the contributing background for that the
biblical Joseph, although being a non-Egyptian, could be placed in a most high
position in Egypt.
When the Israelites'
exodus lead by Moses took place, a continuous fighting started between the two
groups - until King David ca. 400 years later had the Amalekites eliminated.
When claiming that these
parts of the Bible are myths many scholars are not able to document it, and now
such an ancient Rabbinical source of exact information (Baring-Gould: "Legends
...", cf. above) is giving them one big
problem more.
Concerning the fact that I made some statements about you and the News about
Moses in a web-forum - I occasionally exercise my 'discussion' muscles on the
Byzantine board. A few agree with my other views but most do not, and that forces me to do
more research. So I find that good for me. Quite besides, I am not Greek as you
may have supposed, - my name (Kaliss) is Polish (kaliz) but very similar to
Greek. My wife's family name is Malis - and that is Greek.
Thank you for the many
English texts already on your website, I will read them with interest, and look
forward to the day when all are published in English. -ray
Ray Kaliss, - rkaliss1@cox.net
- (9.dec.2003)
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The Theology Library - Autumn
2008 - historical, scientifical, and literary info:
Exodus on line
The
Theology Library
went online in the spring of 1996. Gerald Darring created the Library ...
After six years as part of the website of McGill-Toolen Catholic High
School, the Theology Library was transferred in 2002 to the webpage of the
Theology Department at Spring Hill College.
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The Exodus and The Wanderings in the Wilderness Volume II of "The
Bible History. Old Testament" By Alfred Edersheim.
- - - An
Introduction to the Book of Exodus By David Malick.
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Exodus: A People is Born By W. Gunther Plaut, "Excerpted from The
Torah: A Modern Commentary".
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Moses By Joseph Jacobs, George A. Barton, Wilhelm Bacher, Jacob Zallel
Lauterbach, Crawford Howell Toy, and Kaufmann Kohler, in "The Jewish
Encyclopedia", 1910.
- - - Assassinating Moses -
a 5-volume work by Ove von
Spaeth: 1. The Suppressed Record. Moses' Unknown Egyptian
Background. 2. The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter. Moses'
Identity and Mystery Re-evaluated. 3. The Vanished Successor.
Rediscovering Moses' Hidden War Leading to Exodus. 4. The Secret
Religion. Moses and the Egyptian Heritage in the Past and Present. 5.
Prophet and Unknown Genius. Illuminating Moses the Advanced Pioneer.
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Moses: In the Bible & Beyond By Rabbi Louis Jacobs, from "The Jewish
Religion. A Companion", published by Oxford University Press.
Concerning Ove von Spaeth's text about "Alchemy
by Moses" . I have now read this text a couple of times - with MUCH
great interest and profit!
The text is - as
everything else created by that author - a treasure of exiting, boarder-crossing
knowledge and new information. In addition, it is entertaining as a very good
novel.
Bjorn Andersen, MA and Adjunct Lecturer in Literary
criticism and Linguistic science at Copenhagen University, Journalist DJF,
former Programme Editor at the Danish National Television -
biorn@mail.dk - (12.Mar.2008)
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Readers' mail, 17 March 2008 -
opinion:
The development of science - is 40 percent
theoretical consensus?
Inspired from reading about ancient Egyptian science and modern research -
cf. the www-moses-egypt.net's pages, e.g. on "FAQ:
Dating Egypt's Oldest Star Map" - I will show the following:
"... The development of
science is perhaps 40% theoretical consensus. We, the interested professionals
and amateurs of the scientific community have serious debate and conversation
regarding the reasons some us have the urge to investigate issues and
programmes. ...
The Egyptians described
the human 'being' as a vessel of various degrees. The quotience of the vessel
known as the 'Ba' and the 'Ka' character and life exist as separate entities and
as the pineal gland is joulted, my opinion is that the 'Ka' is perhaps some part
released from the human vessel to wonder, resulting with the weird 'self
acknowledgement of person difficiency', i.e semi-zombie state. However, the
process of being raised next battle {self corrective procedure} is to seek
alignment with ones original physical 'standard set up mode' resulting with a
roller coaster ride of emotional turmoil seeking for the persons self to realign
'The Ba and the Ka'. ..."
To read all of the thesis
- also covering modern and ancient anthropology - please request it here:
Jens Jorgensen, former Headmaster,
zoominfo.com, 22 September 2006 - reference:
Spokesman on Educational Subjects
Jens Jorgensen, MA Historian, was
External Examiner of History at the three Universities of Copenhagen, Aarhus,
and Odense, and former Headmaster of Slagelse College/High School; for several
years he was also a Member of Danish Parliament, the Conservative Party's
Spokesman on Educational subjects.
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Science Myths for Abolishing the Historical Moses The Bible, as well as the ancient Rabbinical Writings, and many of the ancient,
learned writers mention that Moses was known as the Son of Pharaoh's Daughter.
Most of the ancient sources about this - which modern biblical research hitherto
has avoided going deep into - points to the high
plausibility of the matter. After undertaking the gathering and
presentation of the subject's extraordinarily many interesting sources and
coherences, I keep wondering why
none among that many researchers so far has made this complete step. My book-series about the
historical Moses was given the title "Assassinating Moses" on the background
that in three rounds in history it was attempted to destroy Moses: - First, by
the Egyptians, rejecting him as heir to the throne and already within his time,
removed his names and other memories about him, in order to making him
non-existent. - Later, by
the priestly editors of the Bible, such as Ezra in approx. 350 BC who reduced
the strong Egyptian background and status of Moses. -
I addition,
many present theological schools reject the existence of Moses and designate him
as an imaginary, mythic figure. By these people the books are thus considered
strongly controversial, even heretic.
Anthropology - and the Moses picture Are myths really myths? - By using the biblical Moses-texts generations of
researchers have looked for historical traces of Moses, which cannot be found
directly - not in an "anticipated" form - because these research areas were
often influenced by the Church's image of Moses as a Jewish patriarch instead
of seeing him as an Egyptian. All of which also guided hitherto investigations
in non-productive direction. In the meantime, much of
the hitherto somewhat inexplicable information in the Bible has been
misinterpreted on the basis of various longstanding and unaccountably undisputed
"armchair" theories. All this, despite the fact that much of a widely recognized
scientific documentation actually reveals the biblical information as being
often very explicable after all. Or, if in the ancient biblical texts an
expression may be found of a later date, then the biblical narrative is rejected
as being "fiction" built on myths, instead of considering that various times of
biblical editing and later editors may have included language of those times. Genuine anthropology
comprises social sciences, history, philosophy - and economy. Experts as
Malinowski (and Max Weber's cross-cultural studies on social science and
religion - and his principle 'Verstehen') - formed the methodology of
'participant observation' and decided a distinction between description and
analysis, and between the views of participants and analysts.
Biblical Research Problems with Moses Sources During the first two centuries of modern scientifically related research,
underestimation or down-right neglect of important factors were big obstacles
for disclosing Moses' background: 1. In
general, the research is carried out as if Moses is only known in the biblical
version. By and large, all Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Indian, and Arab traditions
about him, and also the relevant statements from the oldest Church Fathers, are
neglected. 2.
Generally, it is not taken into consideration that the oldest parts of the
Rabbinical Writings are as old as the oldest parts of the biblical Moses texts. 3. In
theology and history studies, the preserved information about Moses in the
Rabbinical Writings is only very rarely studied - and are disregarded as
"colourful stories". 4.
"The Egyptian factor" is being observed only to a minor degree during the
attempts to understand the many claimed discrepancies of the Moses texts. 5.
Ritual mystery plays, the practice of which may almost be considered
inaccessible today, should be considered as something of vital importance and
extremely significant in daily life of the past and in the understanding of that
way of life. The plays contain many valuable, anthropologic data, which can lead
to an understanding of these historical subjects. Although it is an anthropological fact that ritual dramas and mystery plays were
practised in the ancient cultures, this widespread practice does not seem to
have been considered by bible-researchers as having any connection with the
Moses narrative, e.g. Moses on the river.
Reconsidering Repressed Sources Much repressed but important information on history can be found all the time.
Our knowledge of the past is much more abundant and also more accessible than
usually assumed. Ironically enough, so many concrete data about what we use to
call myths can be found at libraries and museums around the world collecting
dust, almost without being known or studied. As we have seen that
within present day's research the historical Moses is often reduced to a mere
myth. However, my book-series, "Assassinating Moses", was established in order
to throw fresh light on the matter and transfer Moses from the myth back to his
place in history. Not foreseen,
indeed, my journey of exploration took more than 25 years and, at the end,
resulted in publishing the exciting material in five books about the historical
Moses. However, nobody ever before had written five books about this
extraordinary personality and his revolutionary task, - not even a two-volume
work about Moses. But to my big surprise the toughest critics showed not having
studied the subject in depths. I wish to extend sincere
thanks to researchers and other devoted helpers who have all helped with
tireless efforts and shown great confidence and a courageous personal support,
despite resistance against the project from others which could have caused
annoyance from academic colleagues. Yet, despite all the
strange troubles, also in the technical matters - all perseveringly overcome -
the five volumes about the historical Moses were handsomely finalized. Thanks to
C.A. Reitzel Bookseller and Publisher in Copenhagen, Denmark, this publication
of the long-term work of research was so admirably carried out despite the above
mentioned opposition and despite not having received any financial aids or any
kind of support from either private or public means and funds. As already pointed out,
anthropologists were among the first to scientifically expand our view on the
contents of the ancient biblical texts, while theological and linguistic
researchers often were lead astray. It happened, for instance, via the entirely
unfounded idea that the Bible's original data in the main texts should - due to
later corrections - instead stem from the same time as these later
interventions. Reconsidering regarding
the repressed sources is required in order to see the relation between
acknowledged historical facts from Antiquity and the historical Moses. However,
in order to achieve a more exact dating of the birth of Moses, research has
never tested ancient astronomical time-data, - it has never been done before
now. Within some of the
involved branches of research, the working methods are often to - in advance -
consider not anything in the old narratives to be true, until it has been
proved. This is an excellent precautionary measure, but was never the main
objective of scientific research. This filter allows no research risk but may
easily lead research work to participate only in acknowledgement of the already
acknowledged. Therefore, informative historical data, which can be found 'hidden' in ancient
traditional accounts and the Rabbinical Writings or in "myths", might be paid no
attention. For the sake of reliable history we really have change methods and
avoid such mistakes.
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Interest Group for The Ove von Spaeth Papers, -
28 January 2009 - info:
Dianna Padgett (USA) wrote - on January 28th, 2009 -
I've translated the first 4 chapters of Genesis from the Hebrew from a
qabalistic and Egyptian perspective and have found a WONDERFUL treasure that has
sparked new and continuing growth for 10 years. The fact that the Hebrew
alphabet has numeric value introduces the possibility of sacred geometry into
the text and it is not left wanting. The first verse of the first chapter has
Pi and the Sq root of 4 imbedded into it and the format of the verses
that start with "and" incorporate the golden mean.
I'm doing a revision of
the text analysis because I've found the context follows very closely the
Egyptian pantheon and the underlying meanings of the gods in the first chapter.
The second chapter is all alchemy, which is, ofcourse from Thoth/Hermes.
YES. Moses has given us a
Huge treasure. and I think we are back to the point in the time spiral where we
can appreciate and understand it again.
To see a few verses
translated go to
http://www.dianna.padgett-online.com
I am so very much
indebted to Ove von Spaeth and his research
and I just want to say what a blessing he is to the world.
after reading the review -
22 January 2010
- request:
Eager to read the your 5 books about
Moses
I am eager to read the the 5 books about Moses, after reading the review by
Jurij
Moskvitin. What is the price in Euros of the 5 Moses books, plus
shipping to the Netherlands? My Danish is poor, but I have already bought a
dictionary! I am geologist, and I have read several geological articles in
Danish.
Johan Bert Kloosterman, Geologist -
the founder publisher of "Catastrophist Geology" for the study of
discontinuities in Earth history -
http://members.upc.nl/j.athmer/curvitae.htm - jbkloosterman@
- (22.Jan.2010)
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Summer 2008 - info and data archives:
Egypt Websites Directory
Egypt Websites
Directory - presents:
Egypt Archive -
http://www.egyptarchive.co.uk/html/index.html
The Pyramid of Menkaure is the smallest of the three at Giza. It was originally
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An interpretation of Moses as a historical person and of the chronology of his
era, based on inter-scientifical research in history, egyptology, theology,
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Ancient Egypt Index -
http://www.crystalinks.com/egypt.html
The entire civilization of Ancient Egypt was based on religion, and their
beliefs were important to them. Their belief in the rebirth after death became
their driving force behind their funeral practices. - (Added On: Sat Jul 28
2007)
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http://greatscott.com/hiero/
Ancient Egyptian writing uses more than 2,000 hieroglyphic characters. Each
hieroglyph represents a common object in ancient Egypt. Hieroglyphs could
represent the sound of the object or they could represent an idea associated
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Declaration Between the United Kingdom and France Respecting Egypt and Morocco,
Together with the Secret Articles Signed at the Same Time ... at London, April
8, 1904. - The Government of the French Republic, for their part, declare that
they will not obstruct the action of Great Britain in that country by asking
that a limit of time be fixed for the British occupation or in any other manner,
and that they give their assent to the draft Khedivial decree ... etc.
(Added On: Sun Aug 12 2007) - - -
Frequently we are under pressure by hysterical and sometimes even mendacious
"public" science armed with a threatening authority suppressing all openness and
all attempts to look at the world in a new light and approach it from new
angles. Independent researchers trying to unveil historical secrets not yet
disclosed have had to put up with coarse criticism from the established science
- so very unfair and absurd, as I see it.
Mr.
Ove von Spaeth, the
Danish Writer, is a well known contemporary independent researcher. His long
standing effort has focused on Egypt and the Middle East, even with detours to
India and Europe. First and foremost he is known for his impressive, innovative,
and very excitingly written work of five books about the historical Moses, a
treatise which in this country has aroused both the greatest recognition as well
as the greatest debate in many years in this field ...
In his intense and
comprehensive studies of star knowledge in Ancient Egypt, Mr. Ove von Spaeth has
succeeded in wringing out so far unknown information of the oldest star map of
the world; likewise he has been able to ascertain exactly the so far uncertain
perception of the determination of time of the most important era of the
Egyptian list of kings.
This presented better
connection of the old knowledge makes it easier for us to understand the ways of thinking
by the ancients and the conundrums of history. And last but not least: in addition
to his meticulous research and his ability to understand events and religious
life of ancient times, Mr. Ove von Spaeth is a marvellous narrator. He makes us
turn things upside down once again. And we really need that!
Bjorn Andersen, MA in literature and linguistic science,
Journalist DJF, former Programme Editor at the Danish National Television
- (29.Nov.2004)
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Presented to the moses-egypt.net, 6 December
2004 - opinion:
The suggestion of other and untraditional views
The background of Ove von
Spaeth as a writer and researcher is not the current, scientific education, but
rather an interdisciplinary knowledge and a huge long-life-collected material of
sources. Indeed, his books about Moses are not appreciated by certain circles at
the Parnassus. However, a more fair consideration of possible points of
criticism should be initiated - for instance, instead of such cheap and scornful
non-scientifical rejection which I as a listener witnessed, much amazed, at my
presence in a lecture hall at the University of Copenhagen, on 23rd November
2003, at a meeting arranged by the Danish Egyptology Society.
No doubt, it would have
been more becoming for the lecturer as well as the organizer if they had tried
strictly scientifically to point out and documenting the points of Ove
von Spaeth's alleged erroneous interpretation of available sources. This,
however, did not happen, despite the fact that the involved university
professionals had themselves chosen Moses as
this evening's subject and even advertised that they intended to use von
Spaeth's books as their basis point; which was not at all done!
Still, I find that the
established science of the Egyptologian field - also in Denmark - should not
restrain from seriously and publicly debating this writer's widely published
works about interpretation and dating of the world's oldest star map - depicted
at the ceiling of the Senmut tomb in Luxor - and also which consequences this
work might have for Egyptian chronology.
Also, I find it exciting
and thought-provoking when Ove von Spaeth demonstrates in detail that many
historical sequences in fact can be connected with exact astronomical time data
of the past contained in ancient information about celestial events -
for instance, solar eclipses - and as a consequence giving a more subtle
perception of history.
Everything considered,
the thoughts and ideas of this writer and researcher deserve broader
dissemination, because so much are definitely suitable for further debate and
information, and are able to present some of history's recognized truths in
unusual, new, unconventional cohesions. This is leading to engagement and
inspiration and further concentration on the subjects.
In particular, through
Ove von Spaeth's humongous work, the book-series on the historical Moses, I know
him as an enthusiastic, engaged, and very serious person who is not claiming to
know the truth, but only suggests other and often untraditional angles of
interpretation.
Ole Henningsen, Co-Editor, SUFOI Journal -
oleh@post1.tele - (6.Dec.2004)
It is a human right to seek knowledge. Our common history of the past is
vital to culture, and in large parts of the world the historians' work is highly
appreciated - also the work done by researchers not affiliated with the
university world or other major organizations.
But can the established
research allow itself to overrule other researchers' serious work? Scientists
can be destructive critics against those researchers who repeal the status quo.
Do institutions have more 'right' to history? Importance of the topic
conditionates that the science of history should not be left only to followers
of certain trends or politically fixed research lines.
Surprising action around new-orientating books on Moses
One good thing in this connection is that a surprising hostility involuntarily
giving the new-orientating books about the historical Moses an advantageous
public attention. A case will be presented here because it has a principle
character: the following episode includes actors from the University of
Copenhagen and is only being one example among many concerning the reactions to
a prosperous new-orientating research on the historical Moses.
Within science and
research it is a fact that critique is one of the absolutely necessary elements
at all. Analytic critique is a golden incentive to progress.
However, it was in its
own way an interesting peculiar experience when, unfortunately, John Strange,
Lecturer, Dr. of Divinity, Head of Faculty, and former Pro-Rector at the
University of Copenhagen, in his lecture for The Danish Society of Egyptology
(by its meeting at the University 23rd November, 2003), had completely misquoted
from my books on the historical Moses.
By purpose Dr. John
Strange did this - with creative selectivity - by leaving out the the book's
carefully documented essential information about an astronomical datable event
(important to the whole chronology), thus leaving everybody with an erroneous
impression that the book is not trustworthy. This, despite the fact that the
first pages of volume 1 carefully documents the point in question.
Amazingly incorrect about the books' content
It was not a slip of the tongue because he intentionally tried to make people
react to what he told them. The whole episode is testified by many witnesses and
recording on tape.
Then, with a contemptuous
attitude Dr. Strange threw the book across the rostrum.
In all, such a surprising
action from such high-ranking academic person, a person I had never seen or met
and had any business with. Both the Exact Sciences and the Humanities are based
on a refined scholastic tradition with a highly developed argumentation culture,
and it is definitely not scientifically serious by deliberately to create a
falsification when omitting to relate to the books' presented necessary data of
relevance.
Maybe he also had no
knowledge of the fact - in contrast to his failed attempts - that objections to
the results of research should be done in the most responsible way, serious and
relevant. This condition is among the absolutely necessary basics at all,
because analytic criticism is a golden incentive to progress.
In science consensus is not a guarantee for facts
Also, in his speech Dr. John Strange denied the very existence of some important
parts of the books' presented results concerning Moses in ancient Egypt - he did
this completely without knowing that this material (about the mummification
process) in general has been scientifically known, accepted, and internationally
researched thoroughly (e.g. in France, USA, and Egypt) for more than 15 years
prior to his action.
At 1500 BC the Egyptians
knew about many constellations in the same way as concepted also in much
later astronomy, for example, the constellations of Scorpio, Gemini and the
Lion but the lecturer rejected such facts in my book, he 'knew better'.
The collected
overwhelming amount of material presented in my books on the historical
Moses indicates strongly an early dating of the Israelite exodus from Egypt.
Some groups among
academics, including Dr. John Strange in the situation referred to, try to
dismiss it by referring to the factually wrong reasoning that "consensus claims
a late dating". A true scientific conduct? Obviously, scientific findings and
facts can never be established by consensus and majority votes. For centuries it
was consensus that "the age of the universe is only 6,000 years".
When 'consensus' appears
in science it may call for utmost alertness. One consensus "decides" that
exodus where Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt took place at a late time.
Another consensus "decides" that Moses is a myth, i.e. unreal! In this way a
complete discrepancy is presented by which one result cannot exist, if the other
one exists.
Most peculiar when many
academic researchers, including Dr. Strange here, do not see the slightest
problem in using both of these contradicting scenarios simultaneously. In fact,
something of a schizophrenic achievement. Judging from the believers' efforts to
maintain the outdated theory a clearing up does not seem be their goal !
That his statements are
an accurate version is confirmed when he later repeated them in "History and
Structure", Forum for Biblical Exegesis, vol. 14, 2005, pp. 362-374).
It is an established fact
that Ove von Spaeth with a special experience from more than 25 years of
concentrated research on his interdisciplinary science project and also his
numeral other works - internationally respected for their unique information and
assessments - has presented a considerable amount of new discoveries. Such kind
of meticulous work should of course not be attempted to be overruled by some
temporary consensus' opportune conclusions.
When disturbing a fata morgana of the orthodox
If a certain researcher's results are being considered as to inconveniently
affect followers of another observance it is not only an irrational but also a
totalitarian conduct to explain away in public that the research carried out by
this scientist is a failure. In contrast, the initial position of my own
research is always being determined by the fact that I have to act in relation
to the exact realities of data, finds, and historical descriptions, but not to
some ideological trends of research 'politics'.
However, it is not
atypical that unfortunate researchers in spite of their state of being
unsupported by facts, which is the true situation, and thus detached from
reality claim that Moses and the exodus are non-existing. How does somebody know
about what does not exist? That is exactly what they do not know. All
they could know is that there is something which science may not yet have
observed.
As for genuine
historicity as the basis of the oldest biblical narratives: research and
science itself creates blind spots in the visual range when uncritically "by
consensus" having accepted previous research's originally provisional
working models as a kind of "truth". This disturbs both the focus on many
diverging lines and on new angles of a subject in question.
Surprising action around new-orientating books on Moses
The fact that the recent science development to a large extent is based on
theoretical consensus, is fully open to observe. This can hardly be otherwise
under such a rapid development, and it may well be an understandable practical
basis to start from when going ahead with the new investigations.
In spite of my special
experience from so very many years of concentrated research on my
interdisciplinary science project an also include a number of my works - all
internationally respected for their unique information and assessments, - yet
the new real discoveries can risk being overruled by some temporary consensus'
opportune conclusions.
Unfortunately, some
groups of researchers can be seen to continue ignoring also many other
researchers' archaeological finds and new discoveries concerning the Moses
events. This happens often when a find seems to present a very inconvenient
interpretation problem which by its existence discloses when a traditional
perception is probably wrong.
Round here, a state of
"point of no return" arises by such orthodox scholars, and from now on
counter-arguments are terminating of having any importance. Not the tiniest
concession must take place - therefore the persons in question being in the thus
fixed position are, unfortunately, led to shut off also any possible future
concession. Nothing is more provoking than reality.
What can we learn, and what can be done in a better way?
An orthodox academic group in its comfortable environment of established
knowledge can often find it difficult to confront new knowledge that can
dramatically change some fundamental assumptions about ancient history and
prehistory. It is a fact that, for example, archaeologists, theologians, or classical
philologist are not top experts on many topics such as astronomy, architecture,
engineering, metal manufacturing, geology, etc. And today's new research
conditions also need, in particular, a full-toned multi-disciplinary approach.
And concerning
'consensus': as for genuine historicity being the basis of the oldest
biblical narratives, research and science itself creates blind spots in the
visual range when uncritically "by consensus" having accepted the previous
research's originally provisional working models as now being more than a kind
of "truth". This disturbs both the focus on many diverging lines and on new
angles of a subject in question.
Also, it is fully open to
observe that the recent developments in science are to a large extent - often up
to 40 percent or more - based on theoretical consensus. However, we should only
be honest about it.
This may hardly be
otherwise, and consensus can very well be most practical, under such a rapid
development of today - and it may well be an understandable practical basis to start from
when going ahead with the new investigations. However, we should be true about
it too.
What can we, for example,
learn from it? - that it is always important not to forget that a statement from
a consensus as a working fundament is only a preliminary tool, but is not per
se an established, scientifically proven fact.
Offering the discovered material
As also being mentioned in the prefaces of my books - their investigations, huge
amount of materials, explorations, finds, and analyses all constitute an offer
to further research and investigation. an offer which by preference can be
accepted or rejected. These books are without polemic confrontation or
provocative manifesto, and I'm not a missionary.
Some affected academic
schools or lines do clearly have a problem with the books' meticulous and
unconventionally huge documentation support as an approach to the subjects - but why then would
these people simply not avoid the books and consider them as an indifferent
matter instead of trying in vain to suppress them in public. Showing, obviously,
the books are indeed of importance.
Trying to suppress by
using "silence" against new ideas and yet do it very loudly in lectures and
writings is such a clumsy way to refrain from observing my books' presented
facts. Although without literal comparison this resembles when other "experts" -
likewise just among the learned theological representatives - earlier were
declining a decisive scientific discovery by refusing to take a look at it
through Galileo's telescope.
(Paragraphs selected from
the author's original article in Danish)
Overview Results similar to mine, about the historical Moses, were previously
acheived by a number of renowned scientists from different backgrounds:
Here it is about highly
respected and competent archaeologists - from Flinders Petrie and John Garstang
- to John J. Bimson, James K. Hoffmeier and Bryant G. Wood; experienced
authorities as historians and Egyptologists Eduard Meyer, G. Lefébure and
Suzanne Ratié; historians of religion as Hugo Gressmann, V.H. Juvelius others,
and anthropologists as Otto Rank, etc. The hypothesis is not unprecedented and
is taken seriously.
But when similar results
to those of such authorities are presented in my books then, according to John
Strange and his theologian colleagues, they are ridiculous and incorrect.
This, despite the fact
that my book-series presents a more comprehensive and realistic down to detail
record based on far greater material and even wider range of sources and
indication-facts and data than have ever been realized or even possible.
Let it be clear that
consensus is really practical and often indispensable as a temporary operational
basis. Behind all disagreements on the outer fronts science is basically agrees
with e.g. the view of the atomic theory, the DNA molecule, and the principle of
Darwin's evolutionary theory.
These can even be said to
be above consensus but should of course be ready to be challenged, even
atomic theory is being challenged - e.g. by quantum theory. But when a consensus
developed by certain circles concerning that Moses and the Exodus "are myths",
the participants should know that consensus not necessarily is a final image,
and that it will then be outrageously unscientific to treat results from other serious
research disrespectful. - OvS.
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grahamhancock.com/phorum, 13 November 2008 - research
info:
Evidence through inter-scientifical research
http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum
- Mysteries: for serious discussion of the controversies, approaches and
enigmas surrounding the origins and development of the human species and of
human civilization.
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Re: Real archaeology vs. pseudo-archaeology
Hi Titus, - I've have
followed your topics here with interest and agree with you in this sense that
it's important to look at all this issues with all it takes in the name of the
scientific curiosity.
In my opinion a person
outside the established science is just as capable to find clues we need to
solve some of the missing parts of the history or make invention to help us
finding another way to evolve our society.
I am admitting that some
people have exeptionel skills and intelligence, children at an age of 3 playing
and writing music, speaking 3-5 several languages, dealing with mathematics,
physics, art etc., and when they're 20 with 3-4-6 different master degrees, and
at age 40 top already having really made a difference.
What about when this
intelligence was educated and raised 50 100 200 500 1000 2000 3500 5550 years
ago, what could their name have been, how long back can we go before history is
getting vague or mythical or as John Legon always calls it: invented for
political purposes? -
E.g., who designed this,
http://www.blackwellreference.com/public/tocnode?id=g9780631214816_chunk_g978063121481618_ss1-50
the first time and invented it and was thinking these letters make sense to one
people or more, because of the style? And why should Semitic mineworkers invent
this script - a stage of writing intermediate between Egyptian hieroglyphics and
the Semitic alphabet?
So, the designer of
designing the first letters should have knowledge in Egyptian hieroglyphs but
I'm in doubt if the Semites had a letter alphabet at all at that time - if yes,
why isn't there much more finds of exactly this alphabet in the next centuries,
but in the end it's still considered the base or father to the next generations
of letters?
I know there are many
different meanings of exactly this script here:
http://net.lib.byu.edu/imaging/negev/mainfs.html
And here is what you
probably will call pseudo-science but, as I try to express, who has tried to
cross-examine it more than only what there is written but also who could have
invented it and why: Ove von
Spaeth - who is basing his evidence on a inter-scientifical
research in history, egyptology, theology, archeology and historical astronomy.
So, could it be Moses who
invented it, many ancient writers aggree on this, but modern scholars say his a
myth? But are the disappeared traces which are mentioned here pure speculation
or is it? - cf.:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/debates-continuing-a_en.asp -
where you find "The Disappeared Traces Rediscovered". - As you wrote, few people
know archaeologist Gordon Childe (though, now a bit more because of Spielberg).
Likewise in the case of
Ove von
Spaeth.
There is a clue to Moses and Nibiru when you study old texts. -
There was a very unusual astrological conjunktion three years before his birth.
-
Read here under "Is it possibel to use astronomy to date the birth of Moses:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-cap1_en.asp
According to this information, Moses was born in 1534 BC.
I believe it was the forces of Nibiru that made the sun stand still in the sky
and split the sea (from the Old Testament.)
And if some religious fanatics say, "-God did it" then I always answer: God,
Allah created Nibiru, that always ends the discussion ;-)
If Nibiru is here in 2012 I just test to add 2012+1534 - 60 (the age of Moses
when they crossed the sea during the exodus 60 years, my assumtion)
comment after thorough reading - 15 April
2004 -
opinion:
About Science and the Historical Moses
With your presentation "Science
and the Historical Moses" I have read it with concentration, actually a
scrutinizing reading. And it is totally convincing. If your opponents cannot
read or understand your reasoning then it is simply because they have determined
that they will not.
In an elegant and always
constructive way you refute their criticism point by point. - At a time I picked
a number of arguments and tried to create objections against you. My assessment
is that is objectively impossible. The source material gives each and every time
evidences for your statements.
I am left with with the
creepy feeling (just the same as at an earlier case when I published my theory
about Hans Christian Andersen) that you actually are up against a kind of -
here, by the Egyptology and Theology academics' - fundamentalism of the worst
kind.
Regarding the text in
itself: a total clear, logical, and stringent structured presentation.
Jens Jorgensen, MA Historian, Writer, former Headmaster -
Slagelse City Council, DK - (18.Apr.2010)
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dalel.a3a3.com, - autumn 2008 - info:
Moussa information - موسى
Moussa information
20941 20.941
موسى : Moussa: اسم الموقع Site navn http://www.moses-egypt.net/:
عنوان الموقع URL
موسوعة المواقع العربية : دليل الثقافة والاداب : تاريخ : Encyclopedia af Arab
Sites: A dictiobary for Culture and Literature : Date: القسم Section
13 : 13: عدد الزيارات Hits
موسى موقع غير تجاري يقدم أرشيف من المعلومات والوثائق حول عمل مكون من خمسة
مجلدات، يتضمن دراسات متقدمة وثورية عن تمثال وحقبة سيدنا موسى عليه السلام كشخصية
تاريخية. وقد قام العمل على أساس بحثي علمي في كل من الإنجيل والنصوص الربانية، إلى
جانب علم الآثار، علم المصريات وعلم الإنسان
Moussa, - the site provides a non-commercial archive of information and
documentation on the work consisting of five volumes, including advanced studies
of the revolutionary era and the status of the historical figure, Moses, peace
be upon him. The work being on the basis of scientific research in both the
Bible and the religion-historical texts, as well as archaeology, Egyptology,
anthropology.
answers.com - autumn
2008 - historical, scientifical, literary info on the 4
sources:
Four sources in the Old Testament - J, P, E, and D ?
http://www.answers.com
- Web Search Results of about 23 sites for Four sources in Old Testament J P
E D...
_
Assassinating Moses -
Vol. 3: Debate
The archive is the original Jewish "bible" - the original Old Testament. .....
J-P-E-D (assuming this is the current J and P sources designation)… ...
Naked Archeaologist--Shoddy Scholarship!... Source: K. A. Kitchen and Minimalism (Kitchen stands as far to one
..... on
Biblical or Old Testament studies, and for very good reason, ...
היהדות מבוססת על סילופים של סילופים....
לכן בדור המשנה היו ספקות...
בדור התלמוד היו ספקות...
ואנחנו מטומטמים מתדיינים על המשנה והתלמוד בלי להבין את הקונטקסט התרבותי
וההיסטורי...
דת היא בבסיסה תורת מוסר ולכן יש משותף לכל הדתות, אבל כל הדתות ללא יוצא מן הכלל
נוצרו מסיבות פוליטיות!
היהדות נוצרה שלא במתכוון על ידי משה כשרצה להוביל מסע נקמה במצרים והיה משוכנע
שהקול שהוא שומע הוא יהוה
(שהיה אל הירח המצרי וסגדו לו עוד 800 שנה קודם לכן).
מסיבות פוליטיות (המצרים יצרו ברית עם יושבי פלשת) הוא נתקע במדבר 40 שנה וכדי
לשלוט בעם ההיבירו(הזרים שהגיעו במקור ממסופותמיה) מכר להם (ספק ביודעין ספק בשוגג)
את אלהים - שהוא משה נביאו האחד והיחיד... איזה טמטום...
ואת העם הנבחר והארץ המובטחת... שבכל מקרה היו מגיעים אליה...
היהדות כמו כל הדתות היא פארסה אחת גדולה...
תקראו היסטוריונים מצריים ותגלו שמשה היה כהן מצרי (קרוי גם סננמות`) שחי בזמן
הפרעונית חטשפסות` (בת פרעה) והיה אמור לרשת את כסאה אלא שכהני עמון (החרטומים)
ניסו להדיח אותה ואת בנה מהשלטון ולכן רקחו מזימה (איש מצרי ואיש עברי) כדי לסלק
אותו! (נראה לכם שבן מלוכה באותם ימים יברח רק כי הרג מישהו???)
http://www.moses-egypt.net/
Beginning of the end of Judaism. - Judaism is based on סילופים of סילופים ...
And we מטומטמים מתדיינים are without understanding the context in history and
cultural heritage ... Religion is biased theory and therefore has a moral, as for all
religions, but all religions without exception were made for political reasons!
Judaism was created not
by Moshe במתכוון Csartzha lead a journey of revenge in Egypt and was convinced
that he conceived hearing a Jehovah (which was to the Egyptian moon-god Usegu
another 800 years earlier). - For political reasons (the Egyptians have created
an alliance with Eoshevi Pelsat) ha was stuck wilderness 40 years and had to
control the people Hahaibiro (the foreigners who came originally from Mesopotamia) …
he was the one and only prophet, Moshe ... What stupidity ... Like
all religions of Judaism is a farce ...
Historians of Egypt
called Moshe a Cohen who was an Egyptian (also known as `Ssanemota) who lived
during Hafroniat Hespsoat (Hatshepsut a pharaoh for many years) and was supposed
to inherit the Csaha - but Schani Ammon (החרטומים) tried to seduce her and her
son מהשלטון so Rkho scam (is Egyptian and Hebrew) to get rid of him! (It looks
like he was a member of royalty in those days - Ibrh only that killing
someone???). Cf.:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/
TV Guide Channel
Welcome to
tvguidechannel.co.cc
blog about TV Guide
Channel, a collection of shared knowledge - here concerning:
Assassinating Moses, bookseries, debates continuing part a :
Important information on
our history are presented by Ove von Spaeth's five-volume-work Assassinating
Moses ... Factbites.com, permanent text of 24 November 2006 - data mining : ...
Source: blue nile factbites - at
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/debates-continuing-a_en.asp
The alchemy of Moses, Jung, Isaac Newton, and Tycho Brahe. Also contains how
alchemy was used in the discovery of atomic energy (which connects to CERN).
Warning: this site is written by an initiate of the mysteries. The connections
to the Bible are lies. Do not read without praying for protection and
discernment:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/ovs_related-articles-a_en.asp
On the Ove von Spaeth five-volume series, 30
September 2006 - statements:
The opposition from the orthodox
Concerning the Ove von Spaeth five-volume series. - Are there any English
publishers for the purchase of the author's work?
Ove von Spaeth is truly an
outstanding testament to light and truth, I must possess these books to learn
what has been or is suppressed knowledge. Is it expected that his work will ever
be published in English - for public purchasing?
I know the opposition
that exist to ban the subject is tremendous coming from orthodox powers that
disagree with truth.
Sincerely, a seeker of
knowledge and wisdom,
DISCUSSIONGROUPS & NEWSGROUPS - ON THE MOSES-SERIES
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Newsgroups, on Literature hints /book
reviews, May-July 2006 - info:
If published in English this work would have
'shaked' the world
Mingler | Groups | The life's origin - Limited group - 48 members | Forum |
News - Literature hints /reviews
the good life,
founder: 14.05.2006 - 18:18 - Via this thread I will currently inform about
hints on reading material concerning the origin of life, inspired by topics
debated via these threads and my inspirations during the years. You are all
welcome to supply with hints and reviews.
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Really, I want to draw your attention to a very interesting work, "Assassinating Moses", Vols. 1-5, by Ove von Spaeth, Danish Autodidact
Researcher. He is a VERY well-informed person - I say this only about very few
persons!!!
This work would probably
have "shaken" the world if it had been published in English - the way
Schonfield's "The Passover Plot" did in the 1970ties (our Denmark avoided the
shock (in the Kierkegaard way) - probably because it was written in a "foreign"
lingo).
dantalion: Moses 1-5 by Danish Autodidact Researcher, Ove von Spaeth. Google
search: "Moses - von Spaeth".
He is well known in
Germany - can you tell more also about the contents ? - in short! Yes, or
broader in another thread.
Mingler.dk, discussion & news groups,
subject: The Ove von Spaeth book-series Assassinating Moses,
July-September 2006 - ideas:
Assassinating Moses, volumes 1-5, - I have read them
all, and they are good
Mingler | Groups | The life's origin - Limited group - 48 members | Forum |
Tread subject: Assassinating Moses (the Ove von Spaeth
book-series)
Forum of philosophically and
existentially searching individuals with an open mind. What is the origin of
life and human beings? How did life on earth and in the universe begin? What
is the beginning of human beings? We should be focusing on the most recent findings and results
of archaeology, science, cultural/historical research, religion research,
and should also dust off old interesting theories/myths.
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At another line PAX asks for information about the series of books, "Assassinating
Moses, volumes 1-5". I have read them all, and they are good.
Today many contemporary
researchers prefer to see Moses as a mythological figure invented for the
occasion. In short, von Spaeth tries to find the historical Moses.
The books are one long
description of the circumstances at the time of Moses, as well as a kind of
demonstration of his statements. - Some conclusions:
- Moses was in fact an Egyptian prince - and consequently heir to the throne
- Moses was in fact also Senmut and should have become Pharaoh Tuthmosis
- Moses was NOT the son of a Hebrew woman, and was NOT adopted by the daughter
of Pharaoh
- Moses had no plans about introducing a monotheistic religion in Egypt
- Moses was exiled from powers by Egyptian "priests"
- Moses tried unsuccessfully to gather Egypt's "emigrants" (the Hebrews") for a
revolt
- Moses and the Hebrews were exiled from Egypt to Sinai, where Moses then
introduced the idea about one god
- he never gave up his wish for a return to Egypt and a take-over of the throne
Thus the statement presents another picture than the Jewish writings and the
"Old Testament". Moses was founder of a religion, but he had no ideas about
taking the Hebrews to "the promised land", i.e. Israel.
I can highly recommend
all the books...
Hmmm ... sound wild, nosmokey. Are the books trustworthy? Well, I mean - are these statements based on thoughts and ideas, or are they based on genuine
biblical and historical research?
the good life, Founder, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, -
Mss: 2482 - 30.07.2006 - 18:31 -
www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?
group_livetsoprindels&thread=47217&perpage=20 - (30.Jul.2006)
-
The books are trustworthy, and the statements are substantiated by many years of
research of Jewish and Egyptian sources.
It should be kept in
mind, however, that we are dealing with an amateur researcher who has not been
widely recognized by the rest of the world, as far as I know.
But it is always
exhilarating to have a new angle at some deep-rooted imaginations about history.
Yes, it sounds exciting, nosmokey.
Had actually considered
giving up my health and life style career plans to study religion science,
archaeology, and history, etc. But I haven't the strength to grind away at
Greek, Latin Hebrew, etc.
It is good that somebody
takes on the labour on behalf of us with the hobby interest, so that we can keep
up ;-)
Have any of you read the books?
To me they provided a lot
of "down to earth" information and plausible explanations on how the Jewish and
the Christian religion may have appeared. In any case, they give a lot of
insight of ancient Egyptian culture and also of old rituals on Virgin Birth and
royal children in rush vessels.
Where can I get hold of the books, nosmokey? Library
probably? But can they also be bought somewhere or are they old and in shortage
with the publishers?
-
An extract that I found was one of the exciting conclusions: "The
dramatic and moving event where a three month old baby in a rush pleated vessel
is found by the king's daughter and accepted in the palace, is known approx.
1,000 years prior to the story about Moses. The boy's name is Sargon (2300 BC),
and this happens on River Euphrates.
Later we meet similar
stories in Greek mythology with Dionysus and Attis and in that of the Romans
with Romulus. You may also remember the story of our own King Skjold (King
Shield or King Sheaf). This is probably a very ancient royal ritual.
The oldest known royal
child ritual is that of Sargon, and that of Moses is the most well known." So maybe Moses was
not at all a Hebrew (Israelite) but an Egyptian prince participating in a well
known cultic ceremony. Many believe that not only is he a prince, but possibly a
crown prince.
-
Yes! I have read them when they were published. Was acquainted with von Spaeth
more than 20 years ago!!! - when he had some interesting ideas about
astrological aspects in 1600 literature (e.g. Macbeth).
The "new" about von
Spaeth is that he uses contemporary star maps for dating. The other theories
have been known for some time - only not in Danish!
Whether his theories are
"acknowledged" in the "world of academic persons" is unknown. But as far as I
remember there was a minor controversy with an employee at Religion History
studies.
Under all circumstances,
encouraging reading.
Filmmaker James Cameron Finds Scientific Evidence Of Biblical "Red Sea Parting"...
Times Of London | Tony Allen-Mills | Posted August 5, 2006 09:00 PM
THE HUFFINGTON POST -
Delivering News and Opinion Since May 9, 2005.
A Hollywood twist: James Cameron, the director of Titanic,
is the executive producer of a new documentary that claims to have uncovered
fresh evidence confirming one of the most dramatic episodes in the Old
Testament -- the parting of the Red Sea and the Jewish exodus from Egypt.
In The Exodus Decoded, a
90-minute documentary, Cameron and
Simcha Jacobovici, the Canadian film producer, claim a volcanic eruption on
the Greek archipelago of Santorini triggered a chain of natural catastrophes
recorded in the Bible as the 10 plagues upon Egypt. - Comments for this post are now closed.
_
Enough already with folks trying to prove their mythology through science!!!
Grow up people, the "Hebrew scriptures" are myths and fairytales, like those
surrounding Romulus and Remus, Zeus, Santa Claus, and the tooth fairy. At some
point, we grow up and we realize our parents were lying to us... anyone who
still believes the Hebrew scriptures are anything more than a bedtime story is
an overgrown child. Let's stop taking all this "religious" nonsense seriously so
we can stop killing each other over it.
I think James Cameron should first find evidence supporting biblical claims
that the Israelites were ever slaves of the Egyptians or that Moses was a true
historical figure, so far there is none for either.
Tat Tvam Asi wrote: Bauval points out that these stars in Ursa minor
(beast) and Draco (dragon) are mentioned in the pyramid texts, along with Orion
and Sirius. It would interesting to pin down where these stars are mentioned in
relation to what we find in revelation about the Beast and Dragon.
The dragon passes its
power and throne and authority to the bear in Rev 13:2, in precise correspondence to the movement of the North Celestial Pole from Thuban in Draco
to Polaris in Ursa Minor as marked by the pyramid shafts. Thuban was the pole
star for most of the Ages of Taurus and Aries, while Polaris is the Pole Star
for most of the Ages of Pisces and Aquarius.
Orion and Sirius
designate the three magi and the star in the east. In the sky, the line from
Orion's Belt through Sirius points to Argo, to a group of four stars sitting on
the deck of the ship that corresponds to the coffin of Osiris, Noah's Ark and
the Manger of Christ. Argo contains the bright star Canopus, thought by some to
be the star of Osiris, as shown in the Dendera Zodiac, but neglected due to its
invisibility from Europe. It would be interesting to find out if the pyramids
have any marker to Canopus in their design. Robert Tulip,
- (Joined: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:41 am - Posts: 274) - Posted: Mon Oct
04, 2010 10:52
pm - - -
Danish historian and author Ove von Spaeth has a
booklet concerning issue at hand -
Ove von Spaeth: " Star Tradition from a Mysterious Past. - booklet "
www.moses-egypt.net/images/3ovs_en1_star-tradition-from-a-mysterious-past_e-book.pdf
Attachment: Illustration of World-axis. Its text:
"Sight line of the
World-axis on Senmut's star map leads from the stars Canopus via Sirius to Lyra
at the north. The Senmut map's "mast" with the revolving constellation Meskethiu
(Great Bear) which is connecting with Horus and his harpoon. Above is placed the
star goddess of the Scorpion stars (which in the real sky also is placed exactly
here, and thus being near the exposed constellation Cygnus-Swan)."
Ove von Spaeth is a very
interesting man. He is known for dating and decoding the oldest Egyptian star
map. His work on the Senmut star map was published some years ago in Centaurus,
a scientific journal devoted to the history of mathematics, science, and
technology. It is the journal of the European Society for the History of
Science.
Centaurus was formerly
known as the International Magazine of the History of Science and Medicine; and,
the International Magazine of the History of Mathematics, Science and Technology
You can get it following
this link: http://www.moses-egypt.net/images/dating_the_senmut_star_map.pdf
He is independently from
this specific scientific acknowledged publication, working on several subjects
and theories closely connected. He connects Senmut not only as famous innovative
vizier in ancient Egypt, but even as origin and man the Moses myth is founded
upon.
You can find vast amounts
of interesting reading with sources, links and publications by following this
link, Assassinating Moses:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses_sitemap_en.asp
Enjoy Vallhall, -
(Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:45 pm - Posts: 97 - Location: Norway) -
Posted: Fri Oct 15,
2010 10:28 pm - - -
Nice one Vallhall, thanks for posting. Quote: >>Ove von Spaeth is a very interesting man. He is known for dating
and decoding the oldest Egyptian star map.<<
How old does he say the
oldest Egyptian star map is? Freethinkaluva22,
- (Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2006 1:24 am - Posts: 3237 - Location: 3rd rock from
the sun) - Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:06 pm - - -
The specific event depicted on the Senmut map is calculated to be May 1534 BC ( Gregorian calender ). I know there are disputes and discussions regarding
different theories, and I do by all means not assume knowledge about who are
correct.
Von
Spaeth and his work concerning the Senmut map is not the established
community view, but deserve some interest as it is published by a journal with
very high credentials.
Purpose of my post was to
add some perspectives concerning Roberts post, and his thoughts; Quote: >>It would be interesting to find out if the pyramids have any marker
to Canopus in their design.<<
Views outside the frame
of mind set by the established community is always interesting, as it is the
place where new knowledge comes from. Like Acharya boldly question established
view of Christianity and Jesus as founded on a "persons biography",
Ove von
Spaeth presents Judaism and Moses as continuation of ancient Egyptian knowledge.
The difference is suggestion of Moses being a historical person, with religion
being myth created around him.
His work is interesting
because it presents views that promote looking for knowledge outside "the box" that our mindset impose. I stumbled upon his work when I was looking at
something interesting regarding the "mother and child" depictions that repeats
itself in religions. Symbolism and patterns are my personal main interest and
focus.
Senmut and the princess
images are so similar to other known versions that it is almost strange to see
them as pure coincidence. This is one example ;
--- Senmut and the
princess Neferure, (Altes Museum, Berlin) inscribtion: Senmut,
triumphant, not found among the writings of the ancestors, great father-tutor of
the king's-daughter, Sovereign of the Two Lands, Divine Consort, Nefrure, -- --
which I did according to the thought of my heart --
--- Mortuary Prayer: A royal offering, which Amun-Re and the King of Upper and Lower
Egypt, Maatkare, give; may they grant the mortuary oblation of bread, beer,
oxen, geese, linen, incense, ointment.
--- A Royal Gift:
Given as a favor of the king's-presence [to] the hereditary prince, count,
companion, great in love, steward of Amun, Senmut. Mortuary Prayer: A royal offering which Osiris, lord of Abydos
gives; may he grant all that cometh forth from his table every day for the
ka of the hereditary prince — — who greatly satisfies the heart of the Lord
of the Two Lands, the favorite of the Good God, the overseer of the granary
of Amun, Senmut.
--- Senmut's Favor
with King and Queen: He says, "I was a noble, beloved of his lord,
who entered upon the wonderful plans of the Mistress of the Two Lands. He
exalted me before the Two Lands, he appointed me to be chief of his estate
throughout the entire land. I was the superior of superiors, the chief of
chiefs of works. I was in this land under his command since the occurrence
of the death of his predecessor. I was in life under the Mistress of the Two
Lands, King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Maatkare (Hatshepsut), who liveth
forever." (Thutmose III that
followed Hatshepsut is known to dislike Senmut and his postition as well as
relationship with Hatshepsut. Historically this could well be origin of the
myth concerning the exodus.) Vallhall, - (Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:45 pm - Posts:
97 - Location: Norway) - Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010
10:54 am
- - -
Hello Vallhall, thank you for sharing material from Ove
von Spaeth on Egyptian star religion which I read with interest,
especially his comments on Canopus.
In the Golden Age known
by the Egyptians as Zep Tepi, around 10,000 BC, Canopus and Vega were the pole
stars. Canopus has since shifted far from the south pole, becoming visible in
Egypt in historical times due to the precession wobble. Canopus is now
equidistant between the south celestial pole and Sirius along a straight line.
Continuing this line north eventually reaches Vega because Canopus and Vega are opposite in the sky. Santillana and von Dechend discuss Canopus at some length
in Hamlet's Mill.
My opinion, as I have
expressed here previously, agrees with the theory of Philip Coppens and others
that Canopus was a main star in Egyptian religion, but its invisibility from
Europe meant that myths linking Canopus and Osiris were not understood by the
Greeks. From Egypt Canopus and Argo sail across the southern sky at the time
since co-opted by Mariolatry as the festival of blessing the waters with the
launch of the ships in spring, when the barque of Osiris and Isis was launched
on the Nile. Interestingly, the Arks of Gilgamesh and Jason both have fifty
oars, one for each second of arc of precession each year. Von Spaeth opens
interesting speculation about ancient civilizations. It is fun to imagine
speculative links. My favorite is to imagine that the emerald tablet of Thoth is
at the subterranean capstone formed by the point of an octahedron made by adding
a mirror image pyramid below the Great Pyramid, as above so below. Even more
imaginatively, I have noticed that Tahiti is exactly opposite the city of Thoth
(Tehuti), Hermopolis. Balancing a globe of the world on a cup with Tahiti at the
bottom will show Egypt at the top. Tahiti was first discovered by the
Polynesians about 600 years ago, but this similarity of name is nonetheless an
interesting coincidence. Noting the presence of sturdy ships at the pyramids led
von Daniken to all sorts of speculation. Robert Tulip,
- (Joined: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:41 am - Posts: 274) - Posted: Sat Oct
16, 2010 12:57
pm - - - Freethought Nation,
Post subject: Re: Zep Tepi - Egyptian Creation Myths - http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=3339&start=30 - (18.Oct.2010)
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Wiki-Board.en, archived debates, 15 November
2005 - opinions:
Crackpot Egyptologist
(...the Ove von Spaeth stuff about Moses and on the stars) I smell tin foil
hattery - "Independent scientist"... he seems to have published that paper about
the dating of that star map, but the journal appears to be relatively obscure, -
clearly an
advertisement for one guy's fringe theory.
Lupo, (Sc.D., Engineer in Computer Science), - archived
debate on proposals - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lupo - 15
November 2005 13:05 (UTC) - (15.Nov.2005)
-
Vanity. However, there may be a List of Crackpot Egyptologists or similar
that we can merge it to.
The Land, (Economist),
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Land - archived debate on
proposals - 15 November 2005 15:00 (UTC) - (15.Nov.2005)
-
I can't believe you came up with a list that has not yet been created!
Guy, (Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] - Guy Chapman),
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk (W) AfD? - archived debate on
proposals - 15 November 2005 21:47 (UTC) - (15.Nov.2005)
- - - - -
NOTE (pres. webmaster) : concerning
actual Wiki initial problems of relevance, the Wiki instruction page asks to
bear with their busy staff's sometimes blunt comments. Cf. also extern comments by independent
press notices by BBC and AFP : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5286458.stm
- & - http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061018/tc_afp/afplifestyleinternetcompanywikicitizendium
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The Official Graham Hancock Website, phorum,
- October 2008 - opinions:
Is there any record of Moses in Egyptology?
grahamhancock.com
- Mysteries - for serious discussion of the controversies, approaches, and
enigmas surrounding the origins and development of the human species and of
human civilization. (NB: for more 'out there' posts we point you in the
direction of the 'Paranormal & Supernatural' Message Board.
- The Official Graham Hancock Website, - subject: Is there any record of
Moses in Egyptology?
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legionromanes wrote: > what I'm saying martin is that you have made it abundantly clear that you have a strong personal belief attached to your religious choice that he did exist in exactly the form claimed by the bible so any evidence you supply will be worthless for the case of this discussion.
And you still completely miss the target here again.
> I finally realised this of course after you claimed that the Jewish dictionary was a fundementalist publication because it contradicted something commonly believed by
Christians.
-
and you continue, since the Jewish dictionary is not aware
of the origin of the name Moses, and actually I don't care what are contradicted
by Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists. I'm more interested in the
many references across time and places which give some information which piece
by piece gives us a picture you will not find in the flimsy bible without
regarding the
information Ove von Spaeth has collected in his research, which I admit appeal
to my historical sense as weel as the ancient mythology where some myth actually
was of human reality as described. So if Moses was, as you say, a literal political agenda,
then he is the oldest political agenda that I know of, even how
much scholars want to claim him what ever they want.
> see any evidence you submit will be so coloured by your religious point of view to be worthless. You couldn't accept a simple dictionary defintion the last time so really this isn't a discussion about the validity of your faith but about the solid evidence that would prove Moses a reality, and lets face it, if there were any evidence no matter how flimsy then Simcha Jacobi would have cashed in on it by now.
Then Simcha Jacobi should get in touch with Ove -
and the dictionary should one day accept that Moses is an Egyptian name.
Oh Lee, thank you for saying: "It was King Josiah that ordered his priests to
write the books of Genesis and others that would form the starting Jewish
canon."
I know people who say that the only Jews were the Jews who wrote the Babylonian
Talmud! -
What you say is actually an advance for some folks. Thanks again.
Eddie Larry.
The 11s and Ove von Spaeth - famous for his five
books on Moses
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ELEVEN ELEVEN 1:11 - This is funny. I was stopping a movie on the
VCR and the on screen display came up with the date 11 11 00. I thought wow
caught me by suprise Hadn't thought about the date coming up. Looked over at the
time and it was 1:11 coincidence ? Amazing ! Well if it had been perfect I guess
it would have all occured at 11:11. Of course the message subject below this is
11:11 1:11 so maybe not. - R |||FROM THE AIR||| ____Richard----->
- - - - - -
Look at this Ghosty picts. - Dear friends - Look at this
photo, it's from a friend of mine in Denmark,
Ove von Spaeth,
the famous writer of 5 books on Moses (first in Danish), he send this :
Ghostly Photo of Twin Towers. - Do you see the projections/shadows of the twin
towers in the background where once they stood? - love
Ulla 21.11 o'clock
- - - - - -
thanks Diane for the 11:11 ascension info - There's a lot of
unusual 11 events happening in my life all the time. I've been told over and
over again that I'm supposed to work on a very special project now. Perhaps a
series of projects between now and about 2011.
I get very down about
them sometimes. Lose faith that they will be accepted. It's confusing to be told
I hold something precious and that I should share it. Sometimes it feels absurd.
But the 11s follow me around more than my kitty cat. And every time I begin to
get depressed about it or lose faith, something happens to me like your post
coming into my mind to remind me that all I need to buoy these projects is my
own faith in the universe and my own belief in myself.
I was born on 11/22 and
I'm in my 44th year. When I started reading your post it was 6:11 and when I was
done reading I noted it was 6:22. I'll have to share your post with my Scorpio
girlfriend who was born on 11/11. - Thanks Lightworker 7 Diane. - Love, Wendy
- - - - - -
On 11:11 - Hi Wendy - My best friend Gunna, she
have birthday 11/22 and I have found my REAL mother, her birthday is 11/1
111.......my other frend Ove von
Spaeth lives in number 11 (at his both apartments) and the final cyphers
of his phone (and his car licence plates) number is 111.
Also, I SAW a car with
11111, and everyday almost I take a look at the watch at my computer here in
Spain, it is 11:11.............and I could tell more funny stories.........
However, the schoolchildrens story, I just love it - there has to be more hidden
code into it.
Now its 22:11 on my computer .........Love Ulla
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DEBATE AND NEWS ON OVE VON SPAETH'S DATING THE OLDEST EGYPTIAN STAR MAP
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Message, - 16. August 2006 -
considerations:
Interesting and exciting - Moses and astronomical
history
The World-axis in the
sky is mentioned in the Moses-series' volume 1 and volume 2 of Ove von Spaeth's
Moses-series and in his e-book "Star Cults and the World-axis" - at
www.moses-egypt.net/zenith-files_en/e-books_group1_en.asp . So this I
think people would find interesting and exiting that in connection with teaching
and study about Egypt there can be taken up information about Moses and further
a trip around both the geography and the World-tree (the World-axis in the sky)
- Yggdrasil ... because a big conjunction of planets near the star Sirius
appeared in the sky, all of which was - to the amazement for modern researchers
- described very precisely so early in world history.
Apparently, there are
three special stars at the World-axis which is to be seen vertically in as a
straight line upon the star most high in the sky which is placed - i.e. the
North Star in every 12,000 year. It is the star Vega in the Lyra constellation,
being the North Star at a time when it is orientated vertically in a straight
line with our axis of the Earth. Very interesting... hu!
BBC Home - 25th October 2010 - Ancient
Egypt Calendar:
The Calendar and Astronomy of Ancient Egypt
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A73516197
- BBC Homepage
Everything/History & Politics/Dynasties, Monarchies, Races & Empires/Ancient
Egypt BBC - Guide ID: A73516197 (Edited) - Edited Guide Entry -
Ancient Egypt Calendar Created: 25th October 2010
The Calendar and Astronomy of Ancient Egypt - Stars and Moon Calendar
Representations of the
earliest calendars in history have been found on tomb ceilings and sarcophagus
lids from the 9th Dynasty onwards. Some of the surviving artwork inside the
tombs of the most important (or wealthy) Egyptians consists of stars and
celestial figures we'd recognise as constellations.
The Egyptian astronomers
(usually priests) divided the year into 12 months within three seasons:
• Akhet (Inundation: the flooding of the Nile upon which all life
in Egypt depended) I, II, III and IV
• Peret (Emergence of the Land) I, II, III and IV
• Shemu (Harvest) I, II, III and IV
Each of the 12 months had
a name, for example Akhet III was called Hwt-Hrw, Peret IV was Renwett and Shomu
II was Hnt-htj. The months were divided into 'decans', a decan being a
ten-day week. The 36 decans were heralded by the rise of a particular star, for
example Akhet I was announced by the heliacal rising of Sopdet - 'the star of
Isis' (which we know as Sirius). Decan stars adorn the ceiling of the temple
dedicated to the goddess Hathor at Denderah.
The total year of 360
days did not match the solar year, so to balance their calendar they spent five
days - known as epagomenals - in celebration of five important gods: Osiris,
Horus, Seth, Isis and Nephthys. As they had no leap year equivalent, every four
years their calendar fell out of sync with the rising of the stars, so they
attempted to make everything fit by creating a lunar (moon) calendar as well.
The astronomer priests
observed a calendar of lunar phases in order to calculate when certain rituals
needed to be performed, and that particular process was presided over by Khonsu
the lunar god. The lunar calendar was represented by 12 large circles (one
complete moon cycle or 'synodic month') each of which was divided into segments.
The lunar month has 29.5 days, which meant that some years were short when there
were 12 new moons, or long when there were 13. The lunar calendar was used for
religious festivals only, for administrative purposes the 360+5 day calendar was
used.
News- & Discussiongroups, the question about
the Pleiades and the Senmut Star-map, ancient-history, 1 December 2006 -
info:
Pleiades Constellation, Senmut's Star Map, and a
Master-work of Ove von Spaeth
Re: [ellenlloyd] re ;Star-Chart ;//EGYPTIAN STUFF
Meet great people and
participate in interesting discussions! - Access to the group is by
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Hy Ellen et al; -
That (Egg-Evaporating Disc) in that Egyptian Star-chart is the Pleiades
Constellation according to that Senmut Star-map I forwarded to the group …which
is beyond the Orion Constellation …am right in the middle of a interesting
section covering most if not all those early Star-charts of Egypt …could this
have been where those (Atlantian's ) species originally came from …I wonder
…(Try URL) - IT WILL PULL UP CHOSEN (chosenbloodseed@...>) !!!!!!!!
I also put forward a idea on that (ASCII) episode I had those many years ago…
How close to the truth was it J - (The Pleiades Constellation according to the Senmut Star-map:)
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp
Hy Ellen ...Tony …Mike; -
I am sorry to be such a crashing bore … but that's the type of being ...I am:
The Constellation The Pleiades or (The Humids) to the Ancient Egyptians … now puts that
Senmut (Star-map-chart) into the right perspective…IMHO __, ._,_
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2-faq_en.asp _
The seven pointed Star refers to the Pleiades group which the A/Es five star …
called "The Humids" …as if there were a different language of (none human)
audio... if any !...like the earliest A/E glyphs of that era which have yet to
be found I believe ( the sacred script ) Gardiner, A.[Egyptian Grammar] shows
this … How this ties in with Dr
Doug Johnstone's Evaporating Disk and the Senmut /'Humids' Star-chart is yet to
be fathomed …or is the [evaporating disc] a 'mirror' image …of what it might
have been (The Humids]… was it closer to our system "once" ? Could it have been
a 'link' or 'transponder' that allowed a [star-gate] type of system to exist
…could the Earths (Bass) link been the G/P …more guesses maybe ….but then isn't
most early Ancient History ...
Regards Moby
DON'T KNOW IF I SENT THIS ONE IF I DID MY APOLOGIZES CHOSEN!!!!!!!
mobydoc, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25411 of 25450 -
Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:06 pm -
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25411 -
& - Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/ -
(1.Dec.2006)
-
It's unavailable.
paulanoone, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25414
of 25450 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:11 pm -
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25414 - & -
Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/ -
(1.Dec.2006)
-
I was able to access it. - I use Firefox when
something come up unavailable I found that explorer will open it or visa
versa.
JLM <wicasa@...>
jlmbx340, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25420 of 25450 - Fri Dec 1,
2006 8:20 pm -
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25420 -
& - Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/ -
(1.Dec.2006)
-
Pleiades , stargates and vortexs are something that are really interesting me
now,
thank you so much, -
Sandy
sandyscorp3, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25417 of
25450 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:15 pm -
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25417 -
& - Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/ -
(1.Dec.2006)
-
That's the Milky Way picture in Photos - a vortex
paulanoone, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25446 of
25451 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:34 pm -
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25446 - & -
Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/ -
(1.Dec.2006)
-
Re: vortexes -
http://www.angelfire.com/indie/anna_jones1/vortexes.html A vortex is a mass of energy that moves in a rotary or whirling
motion, causing a depression or vacuum at the center... These
powerful eddies of pure Earth power manifest as spiral-like coagulations of energy that are either electric, magnetic, or
electromagnetic qualities of life force."
sandyscorp3, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25425 of
25451 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:34 pm -
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25425 -
& - Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/ -
(1.Dec.2006)
- - - - -
Hi to all again, - I am happy to be here, and what a synchronicity, this link in
question is to a site established by my best friend Ove von Spaeth, who had
analysed this star map ...he has written 5 wonderful books, unfortunately, in
Danish only. It is a masterpiece, all the things he has done and many things he
has been writing about. It is the first thing I
read here in this group, and so funny the world is very little, think of how
many people there are around the world, and HERE in Ellen's group, I find my
friend Ove's website have its link being accentuated - I can't believe it, LOL,
well he and I have had and have many wonderful sharings together concerning the
cosmology, anyway his articles - a number of them - have been translated in
English.
Hy Cosmaya … It is a Master-work …in my eyes anyway
…and
would rate alongside
the works of Flinders Petrie (founder of scientific Egyptian
archaeology) ...believe me
- the archaeological world need more
Ove von Spaeth-s. - Best of regards
Hi all, - "moby" recommends - in his message of December 1st - a link
concerning the Pleiades. Unfortunately, another contributor seem to have had
trouble when connecting. The reason for this is that the ending of the
address in question should not be .esp but .asp - in
other words:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2-faq_en.asp
Constable Research BV - is a
small company in a big network and has extensive experience in business
development, communication and interactive research services.
_
About the Pleiades or How A Fool Destroyed Paradise.
My name is Hans Konstapel - and I am trying also to decrypt the Codes of Ancient Civilizations. I am getting closer
and closer to the Essentials. To find the code I have to move from civilization
to civilization and compare their Myths and Symbols. This blog is about the
Pleiades.
...
The Temple of Hathor in the ancient city of Denderah was dedicated to the
goddess of Love and the stars of Hathor: the Pleiades. A star clock in the
Temple celebrates the Pleiades, marking the greater center on which our solar
system revolves, taking 25,827.5 years to complete one cycle. ...
(cf. too:) http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp
The Map of the Temple of Hathor).
...
In Egypt, in the year 2170 BC, on the first day of spring, at precisely
midnight. the Pleiades were visible through the south passageway of The Great
pyramid. Cheops contains fascinating mathematical correlations to the Pleiades
including, the seven mystical chambers. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1538_BC, 21 October 2007 -
survey:
Events and trends
1530s BC (Redirected from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1538_BC) • Using Wikipedia for research.
Millennia: 2nd millennium BC
Centuries: 17th century BC - 16th century BC - 15th century BC
Decades: 1560s BC 1550s BC 1540s BC - 1530s BC - 1520s BC 1510s BC 1500s BC
Years: 1539 BC 1538 BC 1537 BC 1536 BC 1535 BC
1534 BC 1533 BC 1532 BC 1531 BC 1530 BC
Categories: Births - Deaths - State leaders - Sovereign states
Establishments - Disestablishments
[edit] Events and trends
1539 BC — End of Seventeenth dynasty of Egypt, start of the Eighteenth Dynasty.
1539 BC — Approximate first use of the Valley of the Kings.
1534 BC — The oldest dated star chart was made in Ancient Egypt.[1]
1530 BC — End of the First Dynasty of Babylon and the start of the Kassite
Dynasty — see History of Iraq.
[edit] Significant people
[edit] References
- von Spaeth, Ove (2000). "Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map". Centaurus
International Magazine of the History of Mathematics, Science and Technology 42
(3): 159-179. Retrieved on 2007-10-21.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1538_BC, - Retrieved from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,
Categories: 1530s BC -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1530_BC
- (21.Oct.2007)
¤
moses-egypt.net - 7 December 2011
- review:
Keys to exact dates in Tycho Brahe's 'Urania Titani'
Included in: Tycho Brahe's Urania Titani. (1994)
Reviewing the early paper of Ove von Spaeth: "Keys to the exact
dates of Tycho Brahe's Urania Titani" , Copenhagen, 1994.
In a critical edition
of Tycho
Brahe's poem, "Urania Titiani", edited with translation, commentary and
introduction by Dr. Peter Zeeberg, Ove von Spaeth contributed a review article
and appendix in which he analyzed possibilities for a verification of relations
between astronomical references within the poem and actual available
astronomical data.
By establishing this
operational fundament, he was able
to reconstruct the astrological charts of Tycho and
Sophie Brahe,
Erik Lange, Tage Thott, as well as to support the presented astro-mythological
themes in the poem with concurring events in the real world.
Von Spaeth's paper is an
appendix to Peter Zeeberg's work "Tycho Brahe's Urania Titiani: Et digt om
Sophie Brahe",
Copenhagen University's 'Renaissance Studies' Vol.7, Museum Tusculanum
Publishers, 1994, pp.311-321, - (ISBN-10: 87-7289-278-1).
Anusuya Kumar, - Ph.D. in English Literature, Pittsburgh
University, and M.A. in Sanskrit Studies, Copenhagen University - 7
December 2011 20:32, - Web News at
www.moses-egypt.net - (7.Dec.2011)
¤
The Celestial Sphinx, website, March 2008
- recommendation:
The Celestial Hall of Records
Have you ever wondered who mapped the constellations, when and why? Come with
me to the Celestial Hall of Records and discover the 16,000 year old Celestial
Sphinx, Hu, who was the blueprint for the Sphinx at Giza. Gaze upon the face of the
Creator, the "Giver of Life in the Beginning". Learn the Lost Word. Discover the
greatest of the Lost Secrets of the remote Ancient Egyptians, including their
knowledge of Precession which they encoded into their mythology, art, and the
Narmer Plate.
he remote Ancient Egyptians mapped the constellations, discovered
Precession and invented hieroglyphs. It was they who introduced the arts and
sciences to the rest of the world.
Astronomers agree that
the Constellation of Orion is keeping the Constellation of Taurus the Bull at bay with his bow and arrows. The two long spikes above Orion's Bow are the horns
of Taurus. In Ancient Egypt Orion was known as The Soul of Osiris.
Traditionally Osiris is
considered to be the Lord of the Two Lands; Lord of the Heavens and Lord of the
Earth. He was also considered to be Lord of the Dead and in this capacity was
always represented in mummy wrappings and wearing the White Crown of Egypt. However when Orion is
examined more closely in his connection with Ancient Egypt the scene takes on a
new significance.
The White Crown is as synonymous with Ancient Egypt as is the
River Nile, the Sphinx and the Pyramids ... and the Red Crown of Ancient Egypt
enjoyed the same renown.
Egyptologists associate the White Crown with Upper
Egypt and the Red Crown with Lower Egypt due to a misinterpretation of the
Narmer Plate. They also incorrectly associate the Double Crown with the
Unification of Upper and Lower Egypt around 3200 BCE.
No other civilizations
had Red Crowns, White Crowns, Osiris beards and a Sphinx!
Remember also that in the Osiris Legend, Thoth is credited with having
introduced all the arts and sciences, including astronomy and hieroglyphs, to
the Ancient Egyptians. He was the Keeper of the Records. It was Osiris who was
the source of all Knowledge. The Ancient Egyptians
kept their Secrets well. There is really no need to look beneath the Sphinx
for the Hall of Records or the Pillar of Knowledge. We need only look up to
the heavens! The veil has been lifted. Nothing was wanting but the Key. -
Links :
Preword for translation of Tycho Brahe's poem
"Urania Titania" - 14 April:
For many years he has researched in the history of
astronomy
On the basis of
my translation/interpretation of Tycho Brahe's "Urania Titania", the ancient
horoscopes being published in this connection are historically reconstructed by
Mr. Ove von Spaeth, who for many years has been researching on the history of
astronomy. I am very grateful, not only for this great work but also for his
invaluable contribution to a better understanding the astrological texts of the
poem "Urania Titani".
Peter Zeeberg, Ph.D. in Latin language and literature, Professor at The
University of Copenhagen. - From Zeeberg's Preword in his book on the "Urania
Titania" poem of 1594 (Renaissance Studies 7, Museum Tusculanum) -
(14.Apr.4)
¤
Discussiongroups, Seti at Home,
February-March 2008 - opinions:
Of particular interest
What is SETI@home? SETI@home
is a scientific experiment that uses Internet-connected computers in the
Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI). You can participate by
running a free program that downloads and analyzes radio telescope data:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/index.php
_
Total lunar eclipse shapes up to be a spectacular moonrise (20.Feb.2008)
saturniancosmology.org, The Celestial
Mechanics, Spring 2008 - info:
Recovering the Lost World
Recovering the Lost World, A Saturnian Cosmology -- Part 14: The Celestial
Mechanics:
This chapter presents the celestial mechanics I have used as background to the
narrative of this text for the period after 3114 BC. ...
Image:
A portion of the tomb
of Senmut, ca 1500 BC, Thebes. Construction halted in 1493 BC.
The central portion of one of the panels depicted the circumpolar
constellations, but, in typical Egyptian form, not very accurately, for these
were mythical objects rather than plotted stars. The long pole-like object is
the river from heaven, not the polar axis, and may represent the occasional
plume of plasma seen rising from the north polar region. The rotational center
of the sky is denoted by the figure holding a shorter pole stuck into the
mummified ox, which is Ursa Major.
The depiction does not
change significantly over the next thousand years, except the mummified ox
becomes a mummified rear leg of an ox. Ursa Minor is depicted as a plow (often
with a jackal astride) close to Ursa Major.
The standing pregnant
hippo (with a crocodile on its back) is the constellation Draco, but upside down
from our depiction, so that the two bright stars are the feet rather than the
eyes of the dragon. A hippopotamus does not have long hair, or sharp pointy
teeth. The knife-like object in her right hand, by the way, is a Nile river-bank
anchor. In later depictions Draco is clearly studded with stars so that the
identification is certain.
Depictions like this
continue periodically into the future. The mummified ox is depicted as a
standing ox in the tomb of Seti I (dated probably to 700 BC), set on a scale
being rotated by a person (god). In this later depiction the giant spike next to
the hippo takes a number of bends before landing at the rear of the ox. The
hippo's lance is the plasma plume seen in the north skies, which, as I have
noted earlier, would show a bend into the tail region of the Earth's
magnetosphere. It is not certain if the Egyptian tomb carvers knew what to make
of any of this. [note 22]
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Pleiades, Seven Virgin Sisters, and Sacred Geometry
The
Pleiades is a very well known and sometimes venerated star cluster, but why. Why
is it sometimes deemed the cosmic center, or as us, Christians might say …… the
place where the Lord resides before He establishes His birthplace as His
Headquarters for all the Universe. He establishing New Jerusalem on our Earth
after His reign of 1,000 years.
Well, you might say, heaven is just a figure of speech not a real place. Yet I
would say, He has to be somewhere rather than floating on clouds in outer space.
Sp why not Pleiades and its sweet influences.
From
http://www.keysofenoch.org/html/academy_learning_session__plei.html
The Future: -
Why were the ancients so impressed with the Pleiades? Key 106 tells us also that
The Pleiades is the cradle and the throne of our consciousness emphasizing that
the program of Adamic life was created in connection with this region of space.
And that it is this region of space that will also signal the return of higher
intelligence. The Key uses the word throne (small œt) because it represents that
place where the higher Hierarchies come together to balance lower creation.
There are, in fact, many throne regions, many logos realms of power, working for
our spiritual preparation. The Pleiades, thus, is a throne center just as Orion
is a gateway center.
The Pleiades is, thus, a marker for the events of heavenly-earth contact and
angelic-human overlap, (end of excerpt)
So why not consider the great possibility that Pleiades is where He and His
Angels now reside. In Job 26, He says the Pleiades has ˜sweet influences¦..and
what sweeter influence is there than HIS INFLUENCE and His overshadowing Holy
Spirit.
Pleiades meaning seven sisters, six prominent stars while one is still there but
having lost its brilliance. Yet does this not conform to the true story about
the seven archangels of the Lord, with Satan giving up his brightness for
selfish darkness when he rebelled against the Lord.
Does not the Lord say in Revelation, that He has seven stars in His right hand.
Seven archangels and the place of ˜heaven at the present ¦.. Pleiades. Heaven
has to be somewhere, so why not Pleiades.
I mean, when the Lord casts out the devil and his followers, they follow the
downward ramp to Earth via the sacred ramp inclination of the Christos Angle.
Its employed within the Lords Pyramid at Giza, and before the Lords Temple
before the Tabernacle and Temple, so why would not the spiritual forces descend
exactly along this angle or ramp when descended to Earth. It happens exactly at
the winter solstice, so why would not these dark forces be kicked totally out of
the heavenlies of Pleiades at exactly this time at exactly this angle of
descent. http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp
Our temple like HIS, is a phi pyramid¦. just as we ourselves are phi templated.
So why not have seven stars associated with His temple. The sides of the phi
pyramid being exactly one seventh of a full circle. 360/7 = 51.41 degrees. Thats
why the temple or pyramid is called virgin. Nothing can penetrate it, No number
can pentetrate 7, it is undivisable, and of course un-penetrate-able like a
virgin that has never been penetrated.
Only the Bridegroom (Jesus) has that right to come into the Bride. And we are
the multiple Bride of the Lord, and New Jerusalem will be out Home.
Calum 33, austarnet.com.au, 5 February 2009 -
blog :
How did Ancient Egypt knew so much about the stars
Blog - Feb 5, 2009 - The Egyptian Telescope
I suppose one of the
greatest mysteries about Ancient Egypt is how they knew so much about the stars.
Like many I had thought that it was only through visual observation.
In that case how did they
know that the Pleiades had seven stars when one is not visible? Loren may be
able to throw some light on this problem? I picked this up when reading about
Senmut's Star Map more carefully - see:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp
How too is it that the
Great Bear looks nothing like a bear yet this constellation was called 'The
Bear' by North American Indians before Columbus - and also by Greeks, and
Europeans.
The Egyptian Sun God, Ra
or Re has the same name in China and the same hieroglyph.
We then get a typical
Christian critic:
"Temple's other remarks
on theory and religion should be taken with a pinch of salt, too much is left
out for the average reader to be able make an informed choice. This is a
difficult subject tackled in a format that makes it accessible to many, however
I feel that Temple lets himself down by his anti-historian stance and the
inclusion of too much subjective theorizing."
There it is again.
Anything that could possibly harm their ingrained beliefs and they go straight
into the attack without due consideration of facts being presented to them.
I haven't read the book,
so perhaps shouldn't pre-judge. That I do so, is only because I am so used to
this kind of reaction from the religious.
NetVaerket, 9 September 1999 -
informative comment :
Von Spaeth, author and polymath - on Nostradamus
Thursday 09.09.1999
From: "Anni/Toni Haugen" <tonianni.hau@vip.cybercity.dk>
Subject: "Zenith" - Nostradamus - Ove von Spaeth
To: "Monthly magazine The Stars" <stjernerne@inet.uni2.dk>
Dear editor Arlette Gürtler, - For some time I have been involved in the
astrological mailing-list "Zenith" which Claus Houlberg recommended for
replacing the NetWork, and recently there has been presented some statements
about Nostradamus' prophecies in connection with the solar eclipse in August
this year and by which the "horror king" plays a certain role. I came to think
that Stjernerne Magazine had some
excellent articles by Ove von Spaeth on this topic at
the beginning of this year, an issue to which and I then wrote a small
contribution.
I send you a copy of this
and may, as you like, be passed over to him. If he wants to make some comments
on that, it has to be done through a member of the list. Why don't you youselves
join in? - Many friendly greetings, Tony Haugen, - forensic examiner, - Thursday
09.09.1999 - From: 51 "Anni/Toni Haugen" tonianni.hau> - Subject: "Zenith" -
Nostradamus - Ove von Spaeth - To: "Magazine Stjernerne",
stjernerne@inet
- (9.Sep.1999)
- - -
Dear list members, - now Nostradamus and his "horror king" went into action, the
features which should augur various accidents over our sinful heads here in the
latter part of 1999 - cf. his often quoted and interpreted quatrain 10/72: L'an mil neuf cens
nonante neuf sept mois / Du ciel viendra vn grand Roy deffraieur / Resusciter le
grand Roy d'Angolmois. / Avant apres Mars regner par bon heur.
Since there nothing
directly has "has happened", there are certainly many hell-fire prophets who
have trouble eating their words again, explain away the prophecies and must
again disentangle how theyshould be understood this time.
It might be refreshing to
remind you of what a Danish expert in several fields - Ove von Spaeth - writer
and polyhistor in areas such as archeology, ancient languages, anthropology,
astrology, religions, and many other lines. Back in February and March this year
he published on the issue in question some articles in the Monthly magazine The
Stars. People with a particularly interested in this may refer to these
articles.
Here, Ove von Spaeth is
directing our attention to the fact that Nostradamus' writings should be
interpreted in light of his occupation also as an astrologer veiling his
statements through the use of a special astro-magical language which he, from
well-known practices since antiquity, built in his texts; besides that, he used,
by the same intention, a patchwork of medieval French, Latin, Greek, and a
wealth of mixed symbols from all cultures, paraphrased names of locations etc.,
etc.
In earlier times,
according to von Spaeth, informed people immediately would know that "Roy
d'effraieur", translated as "horror king", was the same as the star
Basiliskos (Greek: 'beast of horror', 'basilisk', and also originally
'Little King') in the sky, and whose Latin name is Regulus - the only
fixstar to be located directly on the Ecliptic - 'the line of eclipses,
obscurings'.
Von Spaeth argues - and
makes probable - that the seemingly ominous prophecy really "just" means that
the solar eclipse in August 1999 marks the start of the transition from the age
of Pisces to the age of Aquarious and certainly nothing about world destruction
or the like.
And thus it presents no
rationalization in the explanatory light of hindsight.
Greetings to all.
T.H.
¤
The Esoteric Community - 12 April 2008
- blog, info:
Lost knowledge from ancient Egypt
The Esoteric Community -
www.thesco.org
- Lost knowledge from ancient Egypt by Theomas. The blog presents some facts
about ancient Egypt that are, as far as I know, not a part of mainstram
knowledge.
_
# Lost pyramid of the Giza Plateau, hidden chambers in the Great Pyramid, the
riddle of the Sphinx, the place of the cross and the skull, and crossing the
circle. Written by Theomas, November 29 2007 / April 12, 2008:
... Another candidate for
the cross, is the heavenly cross one can create by drawing the appropriate lines
between the four Royal Stars of antiquity: Regulus (Leo), Aldebaran (Taurus),
Antares (Alpha Scorpio) and Sadelmelik (Alpha Aquarius). Thus the author, Ove von
Spaeth, writes that the four royal stars of antiquity, seen in
Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, and Aquarius were said to create a big cross in the sky.
Spaeth even claims that "Originally this knowledge (of precession - my insert)
seems to have been known to secluded cults - not least in Babylon, but also in
India and Egypt - with their teaching by the initiated groups more than anything
this included star knowledge."
Little imagination is
needed to see that the Sphinx could maybe incorporate these four starsigns,
namely a lion, a bull, a man, and a scorpion. The Sphinx thus becomes the
heavenly cross, put on the ground. Only the Scorpion seems the odd one out in
this picture. This confusion may have originated from the fact, asserted by Sir
William Drummond, that in Abraham's day Scorpio was figured as an Eagle - and
"... It has always been associated with the sign Scorpio and by the Kabalists
with the Hebrew letter Vau and the 6th Tarot Trump "The Lovers". (The Fixed
Stars and Constellations in Astrology, Vivian E. Robson 1923). ..." - See
http://users.winshop.com.au/annew/Aquila.html , and also the
book "Genesis of the Cosmos", by Paul A. Laviolette. For a different view of the
possible meaning of the four royal stars, look here.
I am aware that the
traditional view of the Sphinx is that it depicts a Lion, with a mans head. No
Bull, and no wings. However, Dr. Ramses Seleem, writes on page 25 of his
illustrated edition of the Egyptian Book of the Dead, that the Sphinx, Horus,
indeed has the neck of a bull.
It's been a fantastic
reading - and inspiring in the same time. And it has activated some thoughts.
You write very much about Bernard de Clairvaux, the Cistercians, and the Knights
Templar - really exciting and excellent. In a couple years of my early studies,
I worked a lot with Danish medieval history. I later wrote an academic thesis
with a background in studies of ancient German writer Helmold and a lost
chronicle on Denmark as models for part of Saxo's history writing, the "Gesta Danorum". I managed to actually reconstruct substantial parts of the lost
chronicle through reading Helmold and Saxo.
During the research I
have - I think - basically worked through everything about Archbishop Eskil. At
Lund University, (Eskil and his family were in particular associated the Lund
Cathedral) throughout 1920's and until after the 2nd World War II, a
concentrated research took place about not least Archbishop Eskil - with the
two brothers Weibull as the key researchers.
We know that Eskil for
many years was actually sparring partner - some claiming: advisor - to Bernard
de Clairvaux. Notably it is argued in the scientific community with great
strength that the "two swords' theory" is directly designed by Eskil and put
into the world of Bernard. We also know that Eskil was one of the strongest
defenders of the spread of the Cistercians in Northern Europe.
We also know that when
Eskil was allowed, completely unheard of, by contemporary arrangement to retire
as Archbishop - normally nobody was allowed to do so but was archbishop until
their death. Permission to withdraw was granted by Pope Alexander d. 3rd!, and
then Eskil left Scandinavia - after 40 years as archbishop - and went to one of
the Cistercian monasteries which Bernard had created, and here Eskil remained
for the rest of his life.
In Danish history
research the view is that Eskil felt squeezed out of Denmark especially in the
wake of the power struggle which ended in 1157 with Waldemar (the Great)'s
ultimate takeover. Eskil had later as Bishop of Roskilde spent a lot of effort
to fight the knight and king candidate Knud Lavard and this knight's family of
the name Hvide ('white'), because this branch of the royal power wanted equal
position between king-and-church while Eskil, see the "two swords theory,
considered the church being positioned above the king.
Currently there is a
great interest in the Crusades and the Knights - and not least the Knights
Templar. They are even part of the Harry Potter genre and in Dan Brown's crime
storys. Movies are produced on the issues. I do not suggest, of course, that you
cross Dan Brown's path. For his books are fiction. However, I know that you are
first and foremost researcher, scientist, so I can only wish that your amazing
knowledge of a high degree of value to us all will be disseminated in much wider
circles, both in Denmark and internationally.
Jens Jorgensen, MA historian, author, former rector -
Slagelse City Council, - (10.Feb.2010)
Wiki discussion
on zapping Wayne Herschel's article
Here are some highlights from that page, to illustrate what I'm talking about:
"SALT-ing" is a method of
preventing a deleted page from being reconstituted and put back again. Here is
mentioned an attempt to "vote stack" in Wayne's favor by organizing an assault
on the Wiki page via Facebook, and his "Light Warrior" minions, in a similar manner to his (soon to be) famous "spamming assaults".
Wayne, of course, put in
a couple of appearances in his own defense.
- - -
The page has just been Reverted to next to nothing... the false claim by
Ove von Spaeth is back and it is not true.
There is somthing
drastically unbalanced here and it is about to go online on where others can see
the manipulation is rife here!
I will give moderators
here an hour to provide a solution to this then i have no other choice other
than taking astand against the moderators names who claim all is fair here. I
have a full page put together that will upload in an hour... if I have already
been blocked it will come from another party. —Preceding unsigned comment
added by AstronomerPHD (talk • contribs) 12:34, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
For that, he garnered
THIS reply: "I will give moderators here an hour", What are you talking
about? There are no "moderators", this is not a chatroom forum. "it is about to
go online on where others can see the manipulation is rife here" I don't
understand what you are talking about, all changes to Wikipedia articles are
live. "if I have already been blocked it will come from another party" are you
threatening to use sockpuppets? If so that could lead to you being blocked. -
- Darrenhusted (talk) 17:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thomass Blog - 25 December 2007 -
Ancient history:
Lost knowledge from ancient Egypt
History is the lie commonly agreed upon (Voltaire)
Tuesday, December 25,
2007 - Lost knowledge from ancient Egypt. -
Lost pyramid of the Giza Plateau, hidden chambers in the Great Pyramid, the
riddle of the Sphinx, the place of the cross and the skull, and crossing the
circle.
Another candidate for the
cross, is the heavenly cross one can create by drawing the appropriate lines
between the four Royal Stars of antiquity: Regulus (Leo), Aldebaran
(Taurus), Antares (Alpha Scorpio) and Sadelmelik (Alpha Aquarius). Thus the
author Ove von Spaeth writes that the four
royal stars of antiquity, seen in Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, and Aquarius were said
to create a
big cross in the sky.
Von Spaeth
even claims that "... Originally this knowledge (of precession - my
insert) seems to have been known to secluded cults - not least in Babylonia, but
also in India and Egypt - with their teaching by the initiated groups more than
anything this included star knowledge ..." .
Little imagination
is needed to see that the Sphinx could maybe incorporate these four starsigns,
namely a lion, a bull, a man, and a scorpion. The Sphinx thus becomes the
heavenly cross, put on the ground. Only the Scorpion seems the odd one out in
this picture. This confusion may have originated from the fact, asserted by Sir
William Drummond, that in Abraham's day Scorpio was figured as an Eagle...and
"It has always been associated with the sign Scorpio and by the Kabalists with
the Hebrew letter Vau and the 6th Tarot Trump "The Lovers". (The Fixed Stars and
Constellations in Astrology, by Vivian E. Robson, 1923). See:
http://users.winshop.com.au/annew/Aquila.html,
and also the book Genesis of the Cosmos, by Paul A. Laviolette. For a different
view of the possible meaning of the four royal stars, look here.
One might begin by
recalling that, according to the Bible, the Hebrews lived in Egypt until the
Exodus. Moses was their leader and had grown up as an adoptee with an Egyptian
royal family, and in Acts 7:22 one can read that "Moses was educated in all the
learning of the Egyptians, and he was a man of power in words and deeds."
While the historical
truth of the Exodus story in the Bible is questioned by some, modern biblical
scholars that deal with the issue, produce numerous theories, all of which place
it in the 1st millennium BC (Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus)
And since the first
written evidence of distinctive Hebrew, the Gezer calendar, dates back to the
10th century BCE, one cannot exclude, that someone did infact deliberately
incorporate the phonetics of Rosh Tav into Hebrew (Source regarding facts on
written Hebrew:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HebrewOrigins_of_Hebrew)
This leaves the
possibility that Moses and/or other Jews did infact have this information, and
knowing its immense symbolic meaning, incorporated the skull and the cross in to
the very phonetic fabric of the Hebrew language.
But could Moses or other
Jews really have had this very special - presumably secret - knowledge about the
initiatory nature of the Giza Plateau ? Maybe yes. In recent years the author
Ove von Spaeth has claimed in his books that
Moses was indeed a historical person and a highly educated Egyptian prince, and
a prospective heir to the Egyptian throne. A pharaoh in spe! See:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses_survey_en.asp.
Another theory claims
that Moses was an Egyptian priest under the pharaoh Anketaten, and was put
forward in 2005 by the author Stephen S. Mehler, in his book, From Light into
Darkness.
A third theory, by
Édouard Shuré in his book mentoned above, simply claims Moses was originally
called Hosarsif, and was the cousin of a Menafta, son of Ramses the second. As
Schuré writes, Hosarsif was a child of the temple, growing up amidst its
pillars, and was initiated in the mysteries of Isis and Osiris by his mother.
Thomas Roed Jakobsen, -
http://www.myspace.com/roedmario/blog/341183886 -
(25.Dec.2007)
¤
Creation Marks Time Slowly, June 2008 -
collection:
Astronomical lines of sight - and axes of the
temples
The Mystery About the Senmut Star Map, - Senmut presents an entire celestial
system for the first time.
Ancient star knowledge included
astronomy, astrology, and chronometry, and in the past it was an especially
important subject in knowledge. A characteristic Egyptian version of this
celestial knowledge was in use long before a specific expressed Babylonian
astrology was taken up openly in Egypt.
In the Karnak/Thebes temple
already at an early stage, an observatory was placed on top of the sanctuary of
Khonsu, the Moon god-son. And from most ancient times astronomical lines of
sight were used in planning the axes of the temples. ...
The World-axis stretching
from the Canopus Star via the Sirius Star up to Vega in the constellation Lyra,
the sky's three most bright stars and they appear on a perfect, straight line.
To compare with the Senmut map's axis - a cosmic factor thus resembling the
obelisk symbolism presented in the Egyptian creation myth.
The above text - source:
Ove von Spaeth's work, "The
Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter". (Also, cf.:
Ove von
Spaeth's text on website: "World-axis and Ancient Sky")
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A special treasure of knowledge and wisdom
of Greece, Rome, and the Renaissance had originated in Ancient Egypt -
and was here known to connect also with the historical Moses' dramatic
fate and mystery.
Ove von Spaeth has
written an intriguing, new-orientating work presenting this still
influential background of our civilization. • His interdisciplinary
research on history, archaeology, and anthropology goes deeply into
Egyptian tradition, history of religion, initiation cults, star-knowledge,
and mythology - relating to biblical studies, the Rabbinical Writings,
and the authors of Antiquity. • Each volume offers unique insights not
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